Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-08-12 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [2013-07-16 01:42]: I heard a lot of support for keeping iop32x, but no-one volunteereed to maintain the configuration. Unless someone does so, the next time they fail to build due to lack of space I may simply disable them. That does not, of course,

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-07-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 23:44 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: We have a recurring problem with building kernels for armel: three flavours (iop32x, ixp4xx, orion5x) require the kernel image size to be less than 1.4-1.5 MB in order to fit into a fixed flash partition. As more features continue to be

Re: Building armhf/armel in same machines (was Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines)

2013-07-12 Thread Martin Waschbüsch
Am 11.07.2013 13:26, schrieb Hector Oron: There is one, alain, but armel is quite busy architecture as it takes its time to build stuff. I look forward to add more support for -backports. Fwiw, I have yet another QNAP TS-412 around somewhere that could run 24/7 to build stuff... Though I am

Building armhf/armel in same machines (was Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines)

2013-07-11 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, 2013/7/5 Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org: [ Please CC me in replies. I'm not subscribed to the list. ] On 06/27/2013 19:22, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:39:15PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Bet they're slower than QEMU versatile emulation on an x86. And DSA

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-07-05 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, [ Please CC me in replies. I'm not subscribed to the list. ] On 06/27/2013 19:22, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:39:15PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Bet they're slower than QEMU versatile emulation on an x86. And DSA loves virtual machines. :-) This speed comparison

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-28 Thread peter green
Ben Hutchings wrote: The other option that has been suggested repeatedly is to put armel chroots on ARMv7 hardware. Unaligned accesses behave differently on v7, but they weren't consistent between different v5 implementations (http://www.heyrick.co.uk/armwiki/Unaligned_data_access) so I don't

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:39:15PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:13:48PM +0200, Arnaud Patard wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: We have a recurring problem with building kernels for armel: three flavours (iop32x, ixp4xx, orion5x) require the

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-27 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, 2013/6/27 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:39:15PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:13:48PM +0200, Arnaud Patard wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: btw, iop32x is used on n2100 which are used on buildd/porter boxes.

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Guy
+1 for maintaining iop32xx support. I bought and use one for debian development and offer it as a service to open-source developers. Keeping it running with standard stable and sid is essential to this. I also remember nslu2 being the whizzo machine for hackers On 25 June 2013 04:05, Chris

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Martin Guy wrote: +1 for maintaining iop32xx support. I bought and use one for debian development and offer it as a service to open-source developers. Keeping it running with standard stable and sid is essential to this. I also remember nslu2 being the whizzo machine for hackers Has anybody

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Björn Wetterbom
Dropping support for nslu2 is fine with me. As noted above, I can continue running it with an older kernel and be equally happy. Or I could retire it and get (another) rpi. What would be (a little) worse for me though is dropping orion5 support. I rely on security updates for my ts-209. OTOH, by

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Has anybody investigated using something like OpenFirmware as an intermediate boot loader? If that were in internal Flash then it should be possible to load the kernel from external storage- Yeah; I didn't have time to try it out, but there's also

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 02:08:19PM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Has anybody investigated using something like OpenFirmware as an intermediate boot loader? If that were in internal Flash then it should be possible to load the kernel from external

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Björn Wetterbom bj...@wetterbom.se [2013-06-26 13:28]: What would be (a little) worse for me though is dropping orion5 support. I rely on security updates for my ts-209. OTOH, by 2016 it may well be ready to be replaced by something faster. Ben didn't propose dropping Orion altogether -- it

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Rtp
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: We have a recurring problem with building kernels for armel: three flavours (iop32x, ixp4xx, orion5x) require the kernel image size to be less than 1.4-1.5 MB in order to fit into a fixed flash partition. As more features continue to be added to

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:13:48PM +0200, Arnaud Patard wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: We have a recurring problem with building kernels for armel: three flavours (iop32x, ixp4xx, orion5x) require the kernel image size to be less than 1.4-1.5 MB in order to fit into a

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 23:44 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] Perhaps [the DNS-323] could be supported by putting a second stage uboot in flash which would load the kernel and initramfs from disk, as suggested in [3]? [...] [3] http://dns323.kood.org/howto:uboot Alternately it could load a

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 00:26 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] I think it may just be a case of adding the right ID numbers and block sizes to the existing Spansion SPI flash driver, though. I have a datasheet for the flash chip, if anyone's interested. Sorry, not sure I thought that. The

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-24 Thread Aaro Koskinen
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:44:42PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: We have a recurring problem with building kernels for armel: three flavours (iop32x, ixp4xx, orion5x) require the kernel image size to be less than 1.4-1.5 MB in order to fit into a fixed flash partition. At least on Thecus N2100

Re: Dropping support for the smallest armel machines

2013-06-24 Thread Chris Wilkinson
I increased the kernel zimage flash available to 4mb on an Intel SS4000E (iop32x) by reconfiguring the flash with fconfig, deleting the unused parts used by the stock firmware. This enabled me to upgrade the kernel to v3.2. This does need serial console access as Ben says but that is true