Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread bret curtis
Hi! On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:40 AM Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > > What applications does Debian have in its repo that only support GLES? > > Wrong question. Maybe it makes sense for you at the application level for > the application that are hooking into OpenGL directly. But we are speaking >

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 23 Nov 2018, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > According to config_help.txt [1], Qt uses ES2 by default on Windows. Interesting. > But as Lisandro says, such a change in Debian will break many packages > (which are currently broken on ARM only), so we are definitely not > considering it at

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread bret curtis
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2018, bret curtis wrote: > > This is a very wrong assumption, the OpenGL on a RPi (all of them) is > > hardware accelerated via the VC4 mesa driver by Eric Anholt which is > > shipped, by default, on by Raspbian. It supports up to OpenGL 2.1 and > > if you plan on having hardware

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Riku Voipio
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 07:14:44PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > El jueves, 22 de noviembre de 2018 18:30:39 -03 Marcin Juszkiewicz escribió: > > Does it mean that arm64 box with PCI Express graphics card will be not > > able to use Qt based software? I can put Radeon or

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Sat, 24 Nov 2018, bret curtis wrote: > Moving Qt back to using Desktop GL from GLES is going to have zero > impact performance on the RPi since the VC4 supports up to OpenGL 2.1 > and and GLES 2.0 [1] That's a different claim to what you made in a former message. > The problem is that

Re: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello Lisandro, TLDR: thank you for starting this discussion, it was required as it's not an easy decision to take as there is no realistic perfect solution, but I believe you took the wrong decision. Please consider deferring the decision to the technical committe by seeking his advice (point

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Wookey
On 2018-11-23 23:10 -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > El viernes, 23 de noviembre de 2018 12:26:49 -03 Wookey escribió: > > > > My main desktop is now an arm64 machine with an nvidia PCI graphics > > card. These are fairly new (and currently expensive), but I have > > reason to

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:18 AM Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > So: what's the best outcome for our *current* users? Again, pick only one. here's a perspective that may not have been considered: how much influence and effect on purchasing decisions would the choice made have? we

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 27 November 2018 02:04:33 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 6:47 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 26 November 2018 22:04:04 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:18 AM Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez > > > Meyer > > > > >

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 26 November 2018 22:04:04 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:18 AM Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer > > wrote: > > So: what's the best outcome for our *current* users? Again, pick > > only one. > > here's a perspective that may not have been considered:

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 6:47 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 26 November 2018 22:04:04 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:18 AM Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer > > > > wrote: > > > So: what's the best outcome for our *current* users? Again, pick > > >

Re: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Both Dmitry and I just learned that the RPI has the VC4 driver which enables >> it to do hardware acceleration for Desktop OpenGL, we must admit that this is >> a game changer in many ways, even if we are talking on just one board (but >> quite an ubiquitous one). > I expect this also applies

Re: Bug#881333: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
El lunes, 26 de noviembre de 2018 08:37:57 -03 Raphael Hertzog escribió: > Hello Lisandro, > > TLDR: thank you for starting this discussion, it was required as it's not > an easy decision to take as there is no realistic perfect solution, Our (team-wide) pleasure. This is something we have been

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread bret curtis
Hello Ian, On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:04 PM Ian Campbell wrote: > > On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 12:07 +0100, bret curtis wrote: > > The hardware that supports GLES also supports OpenGL because GLES is > > a subset of OpenGL. > > I'm confused by this inference. If GLES is a subset of OpenGL then >

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Alan Corey
Try glxgears and es2gears on few different platforms. On a Pi 3b glxgears runs at about 45 FPS, es2gears slightly lower. On my Rock64 it's in the hundreds of FPS but that's Mali. Look at omxplayer, full screen HD video while the CPU idles (on a Pi). The GPU is more capable than the CPU. You

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Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 12:07 +0100, bret curtis wrote: > The hardware that supports GLES also supports OpenGL because GLES is > a subset of OpenGL. I'm confused by this inference. If GLES is a subset of OpenGL then surely hardware which claims to implement GLES is at liberty to only implement that

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 26 November 2018 09:40:34 Alan Corey wrote: > Try glxgears and es2gears on few different platforms. On a Pi 3b > glxgears runs at about 45 FPS, es2gears slightly lower. On my Rock64 > it's in the hundreds of FPS but that's Mali. Look at omxplayer, full > screen HD video while the CPU

Re: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Raphael Hertzog (2018-11-26 12:37:57) > Software can be fixed/improved to also work with OpenGL ES. However > hardware, once bought, cannot be fixed to support Desktop OpenGL when > it has been designed for OpenGL ES only. Is some _hardware_ really "designed for OpenGL ES only"? I

Re: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Riku Voipio
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:37:57PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > were in the week-end). I was aware of the discussion but did not > had the time to chime in, yet I was the person who re-opened the bug > #881333 in the first place. > I also invited someone else who is working on a concrete

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Re: Bug#881333: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Alan Corey
Why couldn't you choose QT for Desktop or QT for ES OpenGL when you compile your program? Supply both libraries? ES gives an enormous performance boost to little machines that need it, desktop OpenGL is more pretty pictures. On 11/26/18, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > El lunes,

Re: Bug#881333: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
El lunes, 26 de noviembre de 2018 14:21:25 -03 Alan Corey escribió: > Why couldn't you choose QT for Desktop or QT for ES OpenGL when you > compile your program? It's a Qt build-time option. This in an upstream choice, not ours and not up to us to fix. > Supply both libraries? Already answered

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Alan Corey
I think not pulling it to full screen puts everybody in the same boat by using the default size. But I can watch videos with smplayer on my Rock64, on a Pi I need to use omxplayer because smplayer is too low. There was some mention on the pine64.org page about using the Rock64 as a multimedia

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 26 November 2018 16:16:40 Alan Corey wrote: > I think not pulling it to full screen puts everybody in the same boat > by using the default size. It also hands you figures not achievable in the real world, often off by 20x. > But I can watch videos with smplayer on my > Rock64, on a

Re: Bug#881333: Qt with GLES on arm64 maintainer's decision - Was:: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:21:25PM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > Why couldn't you choose QT for Desktop or QT for ES OpenGL when you > compile your program? Supply both libraries? Because this requires providing two separate *stacks* of source packages, one for GL and one for GLES, which from