Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi Ole, Ole Streicher (2016-05-23): > Hi Cyril, > > > Just to clarify this, since I was the one who actually did and > uploaded the change: > > It was not my intention to hijack the installation process. In some > earlier mail on bug#758116, you mentioned that you cannot

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi Cyril, On 21.05.2016 22:58, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > I'm very much not happy with tasksel's picking up ", and I would very much > prefer if it > would only look at its own debian-tasks.desc when running from the > installer. Any objections? Just to clarify this, since I was the one who

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi Cyril, Am 21.05.2016 um 23:11 schrieb Cyril Brulebois: > so it would be nice to support all desc files shipped in tasksel-data > rather than hardcoding debian-tasks.desc when the --internal-tasks-only > flag is passed. If you want to do it in the way it was proposed some days ago (move the

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 10:18:42AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > two more ideas from irc: > > < pabs> KiBi, tbm: re blends/desktops stuff, what about showing that only in > expert mode? I'm not sure whether "expert mode" fits the intended user target group. > < h01ger> or a

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

[Cyril Brulebois] > Please explain how you came to that conclusion. I'm sorry, but the thread so far do not make me believe you are not really want to understand what I mean, but instead look for a way to push your view and any explanation I come up with would be brushed away. I believe it is

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi, two more ideas from irc: < pabs> KiBi, tbm: re blends/desktops stuff, what about showing that only in expert mode? < h01ger> or a dedicated image, which uses a kernel cmdline param to enable blends-mode… -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Petter Reinholdtsen (2016-05-22): > [Cyril Brulebois] > > There's no udebs involved in what I summarized for Blends. > > Exactly. Thanks for confirming that your “Being able to add extra tasks using udebs is a feature, not a bug.” wasn't really on topic then. > I suspect using

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

[Cyril Brulebois] > There's no udebs involved in what I summarized for Blends. Exactly. I suspect using udebs to enable blends is be a better idea than making the Blends tasksel tasks priority standard. > Also: If pkgsel changes the way it calls tasksel, debian-edu udebs can > certainly

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Petter Reinholdtsen (2016-05-21): > [Cyril Brulebois] > > I'm very much not happy with tasksel's picking up whatever people have > > managed to get into a basic system, and I would very much prefer if it > > would only look at its own debian-tasks.desc when running from the > >

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

[Cyril Brulebois] > I'm very much not happy with tasksel's picking up whatever people have > managed to get into a basic system, and I would very much prefer if it > would only look at its own debian-tasks.desc when running from the > installer. Any objections? Yes. Debian Edu uses the current

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Cyril Brulebois (2016-05-21): > I'm very much not happy with tasksel's picking up whatever people have > managed to get into a basic system, and I would very much prefer if it > would only look at its own debian-tasks.desc when running from the > installer. Any objections? As a

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi, Martin Michlmayr (2016-05-21): > * Christian Perrier [2016-05-18 07:25]: > > I still remember Joey's objections about *not* having users forced > > to choose between desktop environmentsbecause, contrary to what > > the average geek thinks, most

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 09:42:47AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Christian Perrier (2016-05-18): > > (thanks for prodding me...you never know, indeed, though I still read > > -boot...;-) ) > > (wow, great!) May be some OT chatting about super marathons might keep Bubulle

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

On 18.05.2016 10:58, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Ole Streicher] >> In my opinion, the situation for the Debian Pure Blends is better here >> than for the Desktop environments: If a user doesn't know what the >> Blends mean, he just ignores it and doesn't install anything from it. > > An

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:41:54AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > I agree that the best compromise would probably be to have a separate > page "Debian Pure Blends". But someone should implement this -- any > volunteers? I myself don't have enough Perl knowledge to do this. I agree that this would

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

[Ole Streicher] > In my opinion, the situation for the Debian Pure Blends is better here > than for the Desktop environments: If a user doesn't know what the > Blends mean, he just ignores it and doesn't install anything from it. An unskilled user do not ignore options he do not understand, he

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi Christian, I agree that the best compromise would probably be to have a separate page "Debian Pure Blends". But someone should implement this -- any volunteers? I myself don't have enough Perl knowledge to do this. However, I don't understand your rationale here: Am 18.05.2016 um 07:25

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

(thanks for prodding me...you never know, indeed, though I still read -boot...;-) ) I have no idea whether the following is practical, and/or makes sense regarding d-i's logic, etc., but I'm wondering whether it would be possible to have checking "Debian Pure Blends" activate a follow-up

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi, [due to traveling to some Debian Med related workshop in Paris I was a bit offline-ish - so I become involved a bit late into this discussion and just add my points where I think further input might be helpful.] On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 02:00:14PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > > > I have

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 02:23:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: >Wolfgang Schweer (2016-05-17): >> The 13 blends would only show up if 'blends options' is chosen in the >> main menu. The main menu would only have one additional entry. > >It's OK for boot options to control

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

On 17.05.2016 13:29, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Ole Streicher (2016-05-17): >> I don't see it problematic as it is in the moment: The list is not too >> long: Even if it does not fit on one screen, the rest is visible with >> just one scroll, and this is indicated by the

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

(Christian: sorry for pinging you directly, but I need some longtimer wisdom for this touchy topic.) Hi, Ole Streicher (2016-05-17): > I don't see it problematic as it is in the moment: The list is not too > long: Even if it does not fit on one screen, the rest is visible

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi Wolfgang, On 17.05.2016 11:52, Wolfgang Schweer wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 08:52:32AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: >> On 17.05.2016 02:13, Cyril Brulebois wrote: >>> I'm not sure how reasonable it is to have such a long list of meta >>> packages in the installer. See attached

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 08:52:32AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > On 17.05.2016 02:13, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > I'm not sure how reasonable it is to have such a long list of meta > > packages in the installer. See attached tasksel-gtk-greyscale.png for > > the initial display with the graphical

Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi Cyril, thanks for your response. On 17.05.2016 02:13, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > I'm not sure how reasonable it is to have such a long list of meta > packages in the installer. See attached tasksel-gtk-greyscale.png for > the initial display with the graphical installer, and attached >

Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

Hi, And thanks for your work on this. Ole Streicher (2016-04-06): > Control: reassign -1 src:blends > Control: tag -1 pending > > I have created the package mentioned in my last mail in the blends git > repository: > > https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/blends/blends.git/ >