Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Arash Zeini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a while back I had asked question regarding Bidi and RTL support for the boot procedur ein Debian. Has anything changed with the new release of Debian (and maybe slang?!?!)? Bidi and RTL support may still need to be implemented

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Philip Blundell | On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 22:59, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | We want to support UTF-8. Help is needed in implementing it; there is | no point in us going into the same traps twice. | | I can't think of any real traps that boot-floppies fell into. Most of | the problems we had

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Philip Blundell
On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 08:17, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: d-i will use UTF8 as the one and only supported encoding. Having talked with dancer and moshez on IRC, this seems safe enough to do. Okay, cool. What will d-i do about non-UTF8-capable screens and serial lines, force the use of English? p.

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Philip Blundell | On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 08:17, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | d-i will use UTF8 as the one and only supported encoding. Having | talked with dancer and moshez on IRC, this seems safe enough to do. | | Okay, cool. What will d-i do about non-UTF8-capable screens and serial |

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On 11 Jun 2002, Philip Blundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, cool. What will d-i do about non-UTF8-capable screens and serial lines, force the use of English? Reencode if it can, I presume. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Arash Zeini
Hi, Thanks for the replies. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:29, Moshe Zadka wrote: Nothing is changed in boot-floppies, and boot-floppies is a dead-end anyway. There is still some argument about what to do in Debian-installer, but at least i18n-wise the situation is better, since we're just

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Arash Zeini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure about this. I am copying one of the developers of freebidi to have his statement. Thanks. I am asking these questions since we are considering to (possibly) base a new distribution on Debian. Great! I am interested

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 11 Jun 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Arash Zeini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure about this. I am copying one of the developers of freebidi to have his statement. Thanks. The current fribidi library is about 64kb. I guess the next version with arabic

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current fribidi library is about 64kb. I guess the next version with arabic shaping will be something about 75kb. Thanks a lot for the data point! I'm not sure what this means for d-i though. Tolleg? To work against

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Arash Zeini
Before I can continue the discussion: I am not receiving any posts to the mailing lists, eventhough I am subscribed. I can only read messages that are sent to my email directly. Is there any web-interface, where I can look into my subscription status? i subscribed using the we ML list.

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread David Kimdon
Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 12:20:35PM - wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current fribidi library is about 64kb. I guess the next version with arabic shaping will be something about 75kb. Thanks a lot for the data point! I'm not sure what this

cvs commit to boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk by pb

2002-06-11 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master
Repository: boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk who:pb time: Tue Jun 11 06:42:57 PDT 2002 Log Message: add catsboot Files: added: EXTRACT_LIST_arm_netwinder SMALL_BASE_LIST_arm_netwinder -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/en by pb

2002-06-11 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/en who:pb time: Tue Jun 11 06:43:54 PDT 2002 Log Message: arm documentation updates Files: changed:inst-methods.sgml rescue-boot.sgml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation by pb

2002-06-11 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation who:pb time: Tue Jun 11 06:43:54 PDT 2002 Log Message: arm documentation updates Files: changed:defaults.ent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by pb

2002-06-11 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master
Repository: boot-floppies/debian who:pb time: Tue Jun 11 06:44:58 PDT 2002 Log Message: log changes Files: changed:changelog -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Philip Blundell
On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 14:46, Chris Tillman wrote: We spend so much energy keeping the installer within a floppy's size. I move to abandon that silly goal for d-i, and simply refer folks to boot-floppies for floppy installations. It's not like it's dead and buried, and it's a good match

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Chris Tillman
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:05:02PM +0100, Philip Blundell wrote: On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 14:46, Chris Tillman wrote: We spend so much energy keeping the installer within a floppy's size. I move to abandon that silly goal for d-i, and simply refer folks to boot-floppies for floppy

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Chris Tillman
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:13:32PM -, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We spend so much energy keeping the installer within a floppy's size. I move to abandon that silly goal for d-i, and simply refer folks to boot-floppies for floppy

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Chris Tillman
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 06:21:21AM -0700, David Kimdon wrote: For reference we'd like to be able to support installation of a 1.4Mb floppy. Such a floppy fills up pretty fast, but we also will support CD installs. With a CD you have lots mor espace. We spend so much energy keeping the

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We spend so much energy keeping the installer within a floppy's size. I move to abandon that silly goal for d-i, and simply refer folks to boot-floppies for floppy installations. It's not like it's dead and buried, and it's a

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CD writers are not Well, they are becoming so. Wait until they *are* so No, I don't have one myself. In the year I've been working with boot-floppies, I've done all my installations by downloading packages over the network

i18n second stage...

2002-06-11 Thread Michael Bramer
Woody sucks because the install system don't have translated texts after the reboot. Please make new fixed Boot-floppies! Eduard already send/make a fix. See mails from Sep 2001 and from the last months on this list. (sorry, I don't find the mail with the fix in my mail archive. Eduard can you

3.0 (beta) fat32 resize with parted

2002-06-11 Thread Kai Hendry
I have the LinuxTag pre-release of debian 3.0 and I want to install it on a win2k PC without a working floppy drive. It does not have a CD writer either. From what i have gathered the partition program on the installation menu cannot resize fat32 partitions. however, i have noticed the parted

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Re: 3.0 (beta) fat32 resize with parted

2002-06-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:20:29PM +0300, Kai Hendry wrote: is there a way i can drop to shell, extract parted onto the RAM disk and use it? You can grab a parted rootdisk from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parted/bootdisk/ and resize the partition independent of the debian installation. -- Mike

Re: i18n second stage...

2002-06-11 Thread Joey Hess
Michael Bramer wrote: Woody sucks because the install system don't have translated texts after the reboot. Please make new fixed Boot-floppies! Eduard already send/make a fix. See mails from Sep 2001 and from the last months on this list. (sorry, I don't find the mail with the fix in

Re: i18n second stage...

2002-06-11 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Joey Hess] Petter Reinholdtsen was on the right track, I think with bug #135565, but I don't think he ever got back to me with test results. Still working on it, but decided to postpone it until Tollef got the debian-installer working for our Skolelinux project. I've tested the patch without

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread starner
Do you have a CD-Writer? Maybe. But I don't in 2002, and neither do several of my friends. So, you're moving that I'll be unable to install Debian without ordering a CD? Would it be possible to provide a floppy whose job was to find the iso on the hard disk and run it? So all you would need to

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Arash Zeini
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 18:43, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We spend so much energy keeping the installer within a floppy's size. I move to abandon that silly goal for d-i, and simply refer folks to boot-floppies for floppy installations.

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to provide a floppy whose job was to find the iso on the hard disk and run it? So all you would need to do is download the iso using an older OS. Most computers today are buyable naked or with non-free operating system. I do

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Arash Zeini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your point is understandable, but I think abondening other languages or not advancing the technology due to size limitations of a floppy is not really worth it. So we should have easily buildable install media for different sizes.

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Arash Zeini
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 22:59, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Arash Zeini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your point is understandable, but I think abondening other languages or not advancing the technology due to size limitations of a floppy is not really worth it. So we should have

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread starner
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to provide a floppy whose job was to find the iso on the hard disk and run it? So all you would need to do is download the iso using an older OS. Most computers today are buyable naked or with non-free operating system. I do

cvs commit to mklibs by pb

2002-06-11 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master
Repository: mklibs who:pb time: Tue Jun 11 12:58:46 PDT 2002 Log Message: import mklibs from b-f Status: Vendor Tag: MKLIBS Release Tags: MKLIBS_0_1 N mklibs/mklibs.py N mklibs/Makefile N mklibs/debian/changelog N mklibs/debian/dirs N

mklibs_0.1_i386.changes is NEW

2002-06-11 Thread Debian Installer
(new) mklibs_0.1.dsc optional devel (new) mklibs_0.1.tar.gz optional devel (new) mklibs_0.1_all.deb optional devel Shared library reduction script mklibs.py produces cut-down shared libraries that contain only the routines required by a particular set of executables. This is useful when

Bug#149698: Dell 2650 Debian boot

2002-06-11 Thread Stephane Leclerc
Package: boot-floppies Version: 3.0.23-2002-05-21 flavor:3.0.23-2002-05-21 architecture: i686 model: Dell PowerEdge 2650 Xeon Bi-Pro memory:1 Go scsi: Dell PERC 3/DC (Megaraid), RAID 1 cd-rom:IDE CD-ROM network card: Ether+100 Hi! I tried to install

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My reasoning is there will be so little use of floppies from here on out. CD's are ubiquitous, the energy we spend making the installer fit in 1.4MB would be far better spent making our CD (and mini-CD) installation flawless, and concentrating on

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Jeff Green
While admitting floppies are almost entirely worthless, I have 50 servers without CDs but with floppies all running Debian, I'd hate to have to rebuild them all. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread David Kimdon
I'm cc'ing debian-boot. Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 03:29:31AM +0430 wrote: On Tuesday 11 June 2002 17:51, David Kimdon wrote: Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 12:20:35PM - wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current fribidi library is about 64kb. I guess

Bug#149698: Dell 2650 Debian boot

2002-06-11 Thread David Kimdon
Hi, Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 10:00:00PM +0200 wrote: Package: boot-floppies Version: 3.0.23-2002-05-21 flavor:3.0.23-2002-05-21 by flavor we mean the kernel flavor, vanilla, idepci, bf2.4 or compact, which one doesn't work? Have you tried the bf2.4 flavor? architecture: i686

Re: BiDi and RTL

2002-06-11 Thread Arash Zeini
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 07:27, David Kimdon wrote: I'm cc'ing debian-boot. OK. Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 03:29:31AM +0430 wrote: On Tdiscuss this today.uesday 11 June 2002 17:51, David Kimdon wrote: Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 12:20:35PM - wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL

cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/ja by kubota

2002-06-11 Thread Debian Boot CVS Master
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/ja who:kubota time: Tue Jun 11 22:37:42 PDT 2002 Log Message: update translation. Files: changed:hardware.sgml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: i18n second stage...

2002-06-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Michael Bramer wrote on Tue Jun 11, 2002 um 05:07:03PM: Eduard already send/make a fix. See mails from Sep 2001 and from the last months on this list. (sorry, I don't find the mail with the fix in my mail archive. Eduard can you help?) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:17:04 +0100

Re: i18n second stage...

2002-06-11 Thread Junichi Uekawa
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