Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2009-01-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:51:41AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 04 December 2008, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: I have noticed that Ubuntu only advertises CD1 on their download page. I think it is really sensible: The CD-1 contains Xwindow, so a

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Rick Thomas wrote: I'm only a user and a tester, so I don't get to vote, but I'd go for Of course you get to vote (and vote here is more just an expression of preference than an official count anyway). the increased utility of dropping ppc from the

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Andrew Lee wrote: So the question would be source vs ppc arch support, which is more useful for our users on the multi-arch DVD for the purpose? I think only people who don't have good internet connection would need source packages. And I guess rare of these

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:11:20AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: The regular powerpc DVD will switch from GNOME-based to all-desktop. The only thing missing is offering boot options to select different desktop environments as we'll now do for x86, but that could possibly be implemented by someone

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:11:20AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: The regular powerpc DVD will switch from GNOME-based to all-desktop. The only thing missing is offering boot options to select different desktop environments as we'll now do for

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Rick Thomas
On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:11:20AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: The regular powerpc DVD will switch from GNOME-based to all-desktop. The only thing missing is offering boot options to select

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Rick Thomas wrote: Given that all the necessary packages will be available on the DVD, doesn't it make more sense to do the selection in tasksel, rather than at boot-time? It would certainly be more convenient for the user. IMHO, doing it at boot time violates

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:23:33PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: I think we have the following options here: 1) keep the m-a DVD as it is: GNOME only and i386/amd64/ppc/source (3rd column in 1st table, or 1st column in 2nd table) 2) drop ppc from existing m-a DVD, GNOME only, but with hugely

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Rick Thomas
On Dec 30, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Rick Thomas wrote: Given that all the necessary packages will be available on the DVD, doesn't it make more sense to do the selection in tasksel, rather than at boot-time? It would certainly be more convenient for the

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 December 2008, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: I have noticed that Ubuntu only advertises CD1 on their download page. I think it is really sensible: The CD-1 contains Xwindow, so a [new] user gets a usable desktop... even if he/she face network connectivity problem. Actually I think

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 December 2008, Christian Perrier wrote: In short: installs from CD will offer all desktops but only GNOME is installable without the network or other CDs. Do I understand correctly? Not quite. Installs from CD will _offer_ only the default GNOME: there will be no option to

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 04 December 2008, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: I have noticed that Ubuntu only advertises CD1 on their download page. I think it is really sensible: The CD-1 contains Xwindow, so a [new] user gets a usable desktop... even if he/she face network

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 December 2008, Frans Pop wrote: multi-arch images - The i386/amd64/powerpc DVD is more problematic as having all desktops will completely fill the DVD leaving no room for other packages with a high popcon score. Proposal is therefore to drop powerpc support

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 December 2008, peter green wrote: The i386/amd64/powerpc DVD is more problematic as having all desktops will completely fill the DVD leaving no room for other packages with a high popcon score. Proposal is therefore to drop powerpc support from this DVD. With only i386 and

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Rick Thomas
On Dec 29, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Frans Pop wrote: Powerpc is very definitely losing its user base (just compare the number of macbooks (ppc based!) you see now at conferences with what you saw 3 or 4 years ago. Actually, MacBook is the name for the Intel-based Apple laptops. The PowerPC

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Andrew Lee
Hello folks, Frans Pop wrote: I think we have the following options here: 3) change m-a DVD to support all desktop environments; drop powerpc (3rd column in 2nd table) 4) something I have not investigated: drop source... My personal vote goes to option 3. For my personal opinion, the

[RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-03 Thread Frans Pop
Now that everybody has had a chance to take a look at the patches and try out the test images (ahem...) we should decide how to use the new options and what it will mean for the images we make available for Lenny. Everything in this mail is a proposal (i.e. open for discussion), loosely based

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-03 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Hi, [My two cents tips below] On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 23:32 +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Now that everybody has had a chance to take a look at the patches and try out the test images (ahem...) we should decide how to use the new options and what it will mean for the images we make available for

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-03 Thread peter green
The i386/amd64/powerpc DVD is more problematic as having all desktops will completely fill the DVD leaving no room for other packages with a high popcon score. Proposal is therefore to drop powerpc support from this DVD. With only i386 and amd64 there is still room for the top ~2600 packages

Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-03 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Frans Pop ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Now that everybody has had a chance to take a look at the patches and try out the test images (ahem...) we should decide how to use the new options Ahem, as you say...:-) I was planning to do such testing next week-end as I had no opportunity to do it