Mike Hommey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ?
The only reason to include a browser other than the default gnome/kde
browser is to include a browser that people prefer over
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ?
The only reason to include a browser other than the default gnome/kde
browser is to include a browser that people prefer over those. My
impression is
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 02:12:15AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ?
The only reason to include a browser other than the default
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 02:12:15AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ?
The only reason to include a browser other than the default
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote:
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Eric Dorland wrote:
Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent
properly.
Not in the case of maps.google.com,
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 03:48:32AM -0400, Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote:
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Eric Dorland wrote:
Well I think Google generally does treat
Mike Hommey wrote:
The fact is users don't *always* have to set this, because far from all
websites require it. If so many users were impacted, we would be drowned
under piles of bug reports about this issue, yet, there is only a few of
them (only one, iirc).
A few user reports of sites that
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:39:32AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
The fact is users don't *always* have to set this, because far from all
websites require it. If so many users were impacted, we would be drowned
under piles of bug reports about this issue, yet, there is only a
I'm not suprised that these sites are known. My point is that our users
devote a significant amount of traffic (I generally only picked on
message from each thread) to figuring out how to work around them.
Mike Hommey wrote:
even bother? And again, how is this even relevant as to whether
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:24:59PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
Now, for something relevant, do you really want me to get started with
crash reports ?
It seems I should have read the bug backlog...
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:04 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
Cool, are you finally willing to
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 03:48:32AM -0400, Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote:
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Eric Dorland
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:33:04PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote:
What does that do exactly? Send a report to mozilla?
Will they actually put pressure on websites to fix this?
They have an evangelist team supposed to do that, yes.
Now, reading [1] it is not clear whether they use stuff from the
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Eric Dorland wrote:
Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent
properly.
Not in the case of maps.google.com, where the sidebar cannot be hidden
in iceweasel, can in firefox.
I'm afraid that documenting it in README.Debian
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote:
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Eric Dorland wrote:
Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent
properly.
Not in the case of maps.google.com, where the sidebar cannot be hidden
in iceweasel,
Mike Hommey wrote:
Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ?
The only reason to include a browser other than the default gnome/kde
browser is to include a browser that people prefer over those. My
impression is that firefox is currently that browser.
--
see shy jo
Mike Hommey wrote:
We have plenty other browsers that are not Firefox and don't try to
claim to be Firefox...
Tasksel does not include those other web browsers in the desktop task.
If iceweasel is not intended to be the closet approximation of firefox
that debian can provide, there's really no
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:50:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Mike Hommey wrote:
We have plenty other browsers that are not Firefox and don't try to
claim to be Firefox...
Tasksel does not include those other web browsers in the desktop task.
If iceweasel is not intended to be the closet
Le dimanche 22 juin 2008 à 22:54 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
I checked every package in tasksel's current gnome task to ensure it
was still being pulled in using the new meta-gnome2 and the new task...
# several packages recommend this, make sure it's available in case
# things that depend on
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort:
Or add brasero and drop serpentine. brasero is really nice and intuitive IMHO.
+1 for brasero.
While serpentine can do nothing more than burning audio CDs, brasero
can also burn data CDs and DVDs. Additionally it has a more common
look if compared with NERO, which is
Josselin Mouette wrote:
# May not get installed unless forced, if some other browser satisfies the
# dependency, so force it.
epiphany-browser
This comment, and bug #370098 still seem to apply. g-d-e depends on:
epiphany-browser (= 2.22.2) | gnome-www-browser,
Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 11:50 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
If you use gnome, it will always be pulled by epiphany-extensions
anyway.
It seemed to me that epiphany-extensions depends on epiphany-gecko, but
that epiphany-browser was not pulled in by that.
The epiphany-browser package only
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 11:50 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
If you use gnome, it will always be pulled by epiphany-extensions
anyway.
It seemed to me that epiphany-extensions depends on epiphany-gecko, but
that epiphany-browser was not pulled in by that.
The
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 22:32 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
The current version can be found there:
http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/meta-gnome2/debian/control.in?op=filerev=0sc=0
I have just uploaded meta-gnome2 2.22.2~2 to NEW (because of the new
gnome-accessibility
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 22:32 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
The current version can be found there:
http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/meta-gnome2/debian/control.in?op=filerev=0sc=0
I have just uploaded meta-gnome2 2.22.2~2 to NEW (because of
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Eric Dorland wrote:
So the user agent thing is fairly well documented at
http://bugs.debian.org/399633, but basically it's our stand against
user-agent insanity. We could of course make it say Firefox easily,
but this certainly seems a bit defeatist.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:29:43AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote:
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Eric Dorland wrote:
So the user agent thing is fairly well documented at
http://bugs.debian.org/399633, but basically it's our stand against
user-agent insanity. We could of course make
Eric Dorland wrote:
Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent
properly.
Not in the case of maps.google.com, where the sidebar cannot be hidden
in iceweasel, can in firefox.
I'm afraid that documenting it in README.Debian won't help desktop users
who just find that
Le lundi 09 juin 2008 à 18:59 +0200, Per Olofsson a écrit :
Eric Dorland wrote:
As to whether to include Iceweasel over epiphany (or whatever) in the
gnome task, that's probably the gnome team's call. However, Iceweasel
is clearly the more popular one and 3.0 does have better integration
Eric Dorland wrote:
So the user agent thing is fairly well documented at
http://bugs.debian.org/399633, but basically it's our stand against
user-agent insanity. We could of course make it say Firefox easily,
but this certainly seems a bit defeatist.
s/defeatist/defeated/
I realized this
Eric Dorland wrote:
As to whether to include Iceweasel over epiphany (or whatever) in the
gnome task, that's probably the gnome team's call. However, Iceweasel
is clearly the more popular one and 3.0 does have better integration
with Gnome (at least look at feel wise).
FWIW, Iceweasel 3.0
[+pkg-mozilla-maintainers]
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
I think providing multiple alternatives for same task confuses the user.
Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel from the
Le lundi 02 juin 2008 à 14:10 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
There's a fundamental difference between the gnome package and the
gnome-desktop task. The former is the complere gnome desktop environment
with all extras, as shipped by gnome, while the latter attempts to be
the best gnome-based
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word
processor, [...]
I'm afraid it does because adding a second word processor would move e.g.
some localization tasks off the first CD images, which is not an
acceptable trade-off.
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:05 +0200, Frans Pop a écrit :
Here's some data about the desktop task (installed size using network
mirror):
Sarge: 1392 MB (included GNOME _and_ KDE)
Etch: 1360 MB (GNOME only)
Lenny: 1857 MB (GNOME only)
As a side note, it would be interesting to know how much
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:05 +0200, Frans Pop a écrit :
Here's some data about the desktop task (installed size using network
mirror):
Sarge: 1392 MB (included GNOME _and_ KDE)
Etch: 1360 MB (GNOME only)
Lenny: 1857 MB (GNOME only)
As
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Beginners expect to be able to open all the microsoft documents they get
and have them work well, and have an uber-bloated word processor that
looks similar to the MS tools, which is why everyone uses OOo.
It does not prevent us from shipping a
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor,
while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is
not, but I can easily change that).
I think providing multiple alternatives for
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:04 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel from the gnome-desktop
task then?
I'd say to drop epiphany. Iceweasel/Firefox are the expected ones.
Firefox is ages behind Epiphany when it comes to desktop integration.
Just
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor,
while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is
not, but I can easily change that).
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:04 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel from the gnome-desktop
task then?
I'd say to drop epiphany. Iceweasel/Firefox are the expected ones.
Firefox is ages behind Epiphany
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
Or add brasero and drop serpentine. brasero is really nice and intuitive IMHO.
I realize that every gnome user has a different opinion about which CD
burner to use, but my understanding, which is borne out by popcon, is
that brasero is only relatively close to the
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit :
I think providing multiple alternatives for same task confuses the user.
Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel from the gnome-desktop
task then?
I won't try to argue with gnome people about
Josselin Mouette wrote:
The complete GNOME desktop environment as shipped by GNOME (modulo
tomboy) is gnome-desktop-environment. In gnome we provide extras that
are chosen by Debian to make it the best desktop experience we can.
Which is obviously what you should also want with the
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 13:27 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor,
while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is
not, but I can easily change that).
I prefer not to have multiple choices of programs
Package: tasksel
Version: 2.74.2
Severity: wishlist
Hi,
I think it is time to wonder what should go in the default GNOME
installation for the lenny release.
Currently, the gnome-desktop task consists of the
gnome-desktop-environment metapackage (official GNOME release) plus a
number of extras.
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Package: tasksel
Version: 2.74.2
Severity: wishlist
Hi,
I think it is time to wonder what should go in the default GNOME
installation for the lenny release.
Currently, the gnome-desktop task consists of the
gnome-desktop-environment metapackage (official GNOME
Joey Hess wrote:
Josselin Mouette wrote:
* serpentine: we set it as the default application to burn audio
CDs.
[in gnome-desktop task]
* gnomebaker: its functionality is mostly covered by having both
nautilus-cd-burner and serpentine.
Ok, if this combo is best
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