On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:28:58AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
Note that the hiding of systemd
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 04:28:27AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
On 22.01.2014 03:05, Josh Triplett wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 02:53:51AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
And yes, the latter option would be easier for the user, but
probably more difficult for the package maintainer.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 08:20:18AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org (2014-01-21):
In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
installing plymouth as long as the splash option is *not* included by
default. It's a minor waste of disk space
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org (2014-01-22):
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 08:20:18AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org (2014-01-21):
In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
installing plymouth as long as the splash option is *not*
Hi Josh,
On 22.01.2014 17:50, Josh Triplett wrote:
Odd. Please report a bug in the fd.o bugzilla on the i915 driver.
This seems to be already reported [1], as i915.disable_power_well=0
stops the errors (but there is still mode change).
I tried:
sudo journalctl -F BOOTCHART
This gave no
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:59:21AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
On 22.01.2014 17:50, Josh Triplett wrote:
I don't know what isn't working there; you might try the systemd IRC
channel or mailing list, to see if they know what's going on.
I just tried running it in a terminal and got:
$
Josh Triplett wrote:
I wasn't suggesting a requirement; I was suggesting that if systemd
becomes the default, there will likely be advantages to switching d-i to
use the same init that installed Debian systems do.
It's possible I suppose, but since d-i doesn't currently use Debian's
init
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:43:02AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
Quietness on success has some significant advantages to justify not
disabling it
Is quietness of success actually intended to be a default property of
systemd? If a lot of distributions default to adding the
Hi Josh,
On 21.01.2014 03:35, Josh Triplett wrote:
If splash were a non-default boot option, and plymouth did nothing
unless the kernel command line had that option, that seems entirely
reasonable. Very easily done; just add this to the plymouth service,
for instance:
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 07:43:41PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
On 21.01.2014 03:35, Josh Triplett wrote:
If splash were a non-default boot option, and plymouth did nothing
unless the kernel command line had that option, that seems entirely
reasonable. Very easily done; just add this to
Hi Josh,
On 21.01.2014 23:14, Josh Triplett wrote:
In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
installing plymouth as long as the splash option is *not* included by
default. It's a minor waste of disk space if unused, but it might be
worth the convenience of being able to
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:53:05AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
On 21.01.2014 23:14, Josh Triplett wrote:
In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
installing plymouth as long as the splash option is *not* included by
default. It's a minor waste of disk space if
Hi Joey,
On 20.01.2014 16:28, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
Note that the hiding of systemd messages is
Hi Josh,
On 22.01.2014 01:30, j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:53:05AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
So you agree that it is easy enough to manually remove the 'splash'
boot option if you don't like it (assuming it was enabled by
default)?
I don't see where you got
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 01:34:18AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Hi Joey,
On 20.01.2014 16:28, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 02:53:51AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
On 22.01.2014 01:30, j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:53:05AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
So you agree that it is easy enough to manually remove the 'splash'
boot option if you don't like it (assuming
On 22.01.2014 03:05, Josh Triplett wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 02:53:51AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Why do you think it would be bad to enable 'splash' by default?
Because then the splash screen would show up. :)
See my previous mails in this thread; I would like to avoid having a
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org (2014-01-21):
In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
installing plymouth as long as the splash option is *not* included by
default. It's a minor waste of disk space if unused, but it might be
worth the convenience of being able to
Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
Note that the hiding of systemd messages is unintentional, and can make
debugging a system that fails
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:28:58AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
Note that the hiding of systemd
Josh Triplett wrote:
Do you mean the options used within d-i itself, or on the installed
system?
The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
If you mean the latter, that configuration is owned by the grub-common
package, not by d-i.
grub-installer configures the grub menu file to include
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 01:19:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
Do you mean the options used within d-i itself, or on the installed
system?
The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
If Debian ends up adopting systemd as the default, that seems likely to
change.
If you
Josh Triplett wrote:
The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
If Debian ends up adopting systemd as the default, that seems likely to
change.
Seems unlikely; I doubt that the Linux kernel will ever require systemd
to boot an embedded system such as d-i.
Given that the resulting
Hi Josh,
On 20.01.2014 02:07, Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
In my opinion the boot options 'quiet' (hide unnecessary kernel
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 06:05:23PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
If Debian ends up adopting systemd as the default, that seems likely to
change.
Seems unlikely; I doubt that the Linux kernel will ever require systemd
to boot
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:12:21PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Hi Josh,
On 20.01.2014 02:07, Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes quiet, which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
Apart from that, I'd echo a frequent description I've seen of splash
screens: a splash screen exists so that while you're
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 08:29:24 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
reassign 734093 tasksel
retitle 734093 Please include plymouth in task-desktop
thanks
(proposal to install plymouth, that provides an attractive boot
animation in place of the text messages that normally get shown. Text
Hi,
On 05.01.2014 11:51, Julien Cristau wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 08:29:24 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
OK, then. Reassigning to tasksel (as we should have done for quite a
while, indeed
It is probably best to include plymouth in tasksel, but still the
installer would have to
On 01/03/2014 09:23 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
It would be good to know, if plymouth handles such situations
gracefully.
there is no problem with plymouth on systems that do not have a display
attached.
on systems that only support text modes, the text plugin is used
(package plymouth with
On 04.01.2014 00:19, Steve McIntyre wrote:
No, please! Let's not add more fluff to the base system.
Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed?
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On 04.01.2014 11:06, Daniel Baumann wrote:
there is no problem with plymouth on systems that do not have a display
attached.
Thanks for providing this information.
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On Samstag, 4. Januar 2014, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed?
this seems like a very reasonable approach to me.
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Package: debian-installer
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X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org
Dear Maintainer,
in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
plymouth installed by default.
While some want to have it and some don't, I think it really might be a
good idea to
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03):
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org
Dear Maintainer,
in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
plymouth installed by default.
While some
Hi KiBi,
On 03.01.2014 20:05, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Last I remember from squeeze (didn't check wheezy too much), plymouth
was quite buggy/broken, and has been RC buggy for a long while (hello
libdrm-nouveau); I'm not sure it's a good idea to install it by default,
but I'm happy to take
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03):
I know that plymouth had a problem with '--retain-splash' and gdm
3.4 but that has been fixed by introducing gdm 3.8.
Ah, that might be what I saw a few months ago.
Currently plymouth has only one bug and that is tagged
On 03.01.2014 20:50, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Yes, I checked the BTS before replying. I'm just not sure end users
having troubles to boot are actually able to work around those issues
and to report bugs. (I've at least seen people switch distro instead of
figuring out what went wrong.)
That's of
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org
Dear Maintainer,
in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
plymouth installed by default.
Not all
Hi,
On 03.01.2014 20:59, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org
Dear Maintainer,
in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:23:58PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Thanks for this hint, I hadn't thought about it.
It would be good to know, if plymouth handles such situations
gracefully. I CC'ed Daniel Baumann, the maintainer of plymouth, so
that he can answer this question.
I'd call it
On 03.01.2014 21:37, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
I like the fact a debian base system by default is a working base system,
with no useless junk for me to have to remove later.
Perhaps if I slected 'graphical desktop' in the task selector, then it
could be considered, but as part of the default base
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 08:05:42PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03):
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org
Dear Maintainer,
in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 14:59 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org
Dear Maintainer,
in his installation report [1] Antoine
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