Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Sat, 06 May 2017, Sam Kuper wrote: ... > Given that a machine intended to run ZFS is likely to be provisioned > with >2GB of RAM ... debian-installer is effectively an embedded OS for the purpose of installing Debian -- trying to squeeze the ability to build ZFS into

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 05:24:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 03:35:52PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > On 06/05/2017, Ian Campbell wrote: > > > It would in theory be possible to arrange build and install modules > > > during installation using the

Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Wed, 10 May 2017 17:24:48 +0200 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 03:35:52PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > On 06/05/2017, Ian Campbell wrote: > > > It would in theory be possible to arrange build and install modules > > > during installation

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 03:35:52PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On 06/05/2017, Ian Campbell wrote: > > It would in theory be possible to arrange build and install modules > > during installation using the in-progress target installation (where > > the normal toolchain packages could

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 06:44:11PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >On 05/05/2017, Sam Kuper wrote: >> Bill McGrath's request matches my suggestion above[3], >> and Neil McGovern's reply suggests it is already on Debian's roadmap. >> Why, then, is this bug (Bug#861263) marked as

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 05/05/2017, Sam Kuper wrote: > Bill McGrath's request matches my suggestion above[3], > and Neil McGovern's reply suggests it is already on Debian's roadmap. > Why, then, is this bug (Bug#861263) marked as wontfix? > > [3]

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 06/05/2017, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 22:52 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >> If so, is there >> any reason in principle why that installer could not in future be >> distributed with the capability to (download and) compile and run ZFS, >> and to provide the user

Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 22:52 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > If so, is there > any reason in principle why that installer could not in future be > distributed with the capability to (download and) compile and run ZFS, > and to provide the user with the option to install Debian onto a ZFS > root

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 06/05/2017, Nicholas D Steeves wrote: > I would recommend the second of the following options: > > 1. Install using the non-free media with "Advanced options" -> "Expert > install" > 2. Install using the non-free media, then cleanup [...] > > It's faster than an "Advanced >

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 5 May 2017 at 15:27, Sam Kuper wrote: > On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: >>On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 19:50 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > >>> 2. Add ZFS to a Debian Installer that is not the *default* Debian >>> Installer. Does Debian distribute such an

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: > I shall not share my opinion of Eben Moglen, because I don't want to > get sued. But I would say that "Eben Moglen says X" is not going to > convince me of X. > > And, the FTP team has made its decision. > > I'm not going to argue this

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 22:52 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 21:40 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > > I am not sure why you say that ZFSonLinux binaries are non-free. > > > Please could you explain? > > > > I was referring

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

P.S. Ben, thank you again for taking the time on this. It is providing a great deal of clarity to me, and I hope that other people who also desire a ZFS-capable Debian Installer will also find it helpful.

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 21:40 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >> I am not sure why you say that ZFSonLinux binaries are non-free. >> Please could you explain? > > I was referring specifically to the binary kernel modules, which have a > mixture of

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 21:40 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: [...] > So, I am not sure why you say that ZFSonLinux binaries are non-free. > Please could you explain? I was referring specifically to the binary kernel modules, which have a mixture of CDDL and GPLv2 code. These licences are incompatible so

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 05/05/2017, Sam Kuper wrote: > On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> The legal status of ZFSonLinux was discussed by the FTP team and DPL >> over a long period, with input from legal counsel, resulting in a >> decision to put it in the 'contrib'

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 20:27 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >> On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 19:50 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >> > > 1. Move ZFS *source* into "main". Would this be possible

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 20:27 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 19:50 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > > 1. Move ZFS *source* into "main". Would this be possible without > > > compromising Debian's "obviously prudent"

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: >On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 19:50 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >> 1. Move ZFS *source* into "main". Would this be possible without >> compromising Debian's "obviously prudent" arrangement?[1] Should I CC >> debian-legal? > > This will not happen.

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 19:50 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 14:26 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > > > On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 19:51:23 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 18:20 +0200, Timo Haas wrote: >

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On 05/05/2017, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 14:26 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: >> On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 19:51:23 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> > On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 18:20 +0200, Timo Haas wrote: >> > > do you plan to support zfs as root filesystem in the

Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 14:26 +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 19:51:23 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 18:20 +0200, Timo Haas wrote: > > > Dear Maintainer, > > > > > > do you plan to support zfs as root filesystem in the installer? > > > > ZFS binaries are not

Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 19:51:23 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 18:20 +0200, Timo Haas wrote: >> Dear Maintainer, >> >> do you plan to support zfs as root filesystem in the installer? > > ZFS binaries are not distributable due to the licence conflict, so this > is unlikely to

Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

Control: tag -1 wontfix On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 18:20 +0200, Timo Haas wrote: > Package: debian-installer > Severity: wishlist > Tags: d-i > > Dear Maintainer, > > do you plan to support zfs as root filesystem in the installer? ZFS binaries are not distributable due to the licence conflict, so

Processed: Re: Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

Processing control commands: > tag -1 wontfix Bug #861263 [debian-installer] debian-installer: zfs support Added tag(s) wontfix. -- 861263: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861263 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems

Bug#861263: debian-installer: zfs support

Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist Tags: d-i Dear Maintainer, do you plan to support zfs as root filesystem in the installer? -- System Information: Debian Release: 9.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386