trimming fat in busybox (was Re: Installer online help)

2001-06-12 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Erik Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, thats right. I wonder if I should trim out some of the fat in the .deb then. For example, the .deb contains the busybox shell (lash), which is not being used... I expect a bit of hunting could find a fw others. Fat trimming sounds worthwhile

verdict on Installer online help

2001-06-12 Thread Adam Di Carlo
I agree with Erik. Chris' documentation is good, but should be part of the documentation, not actually something on the root disk. /me has spoken. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]URL:http://www.onshored.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-12 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New users feel completely lost; even if the information is right there, they don't know how to get at it. No, new users shouldn't have to use tty2 at all. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]URL:http://www.onshored.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-12 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my case I did end up finding a quick reference sheet on the web after my first few weeks of trying to get Debian installed. But it didn't include many of the commands that are available, and was bash-oriented, so it really wasn't much help. That's

Re: verdict on Installer online help

2001-06-12 Thread Chris Tillman
I agree with Erik. Chris' documentation is good, but should be part of the documentation, not actually something on the root disk. /me has spoken. Thanks -- I'll probably find a place for it eventually, and it needs some more work in any case :-) -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: trimming fat in busybox (was Re: Installer online help)

2001-06-12 Thread Erik Andersen
On Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 09:46:10PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Erik Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, thats right. I wonder if I should trim out some of the fat in the .deb then. For example, the .deb contains the busybox shell (lash), which is not being used... I expect a bit

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Peter Cordes
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 09:34:50PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 04:41:59PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt why not zcat /help.gz | more ? That would work, but I used tabs to make two columns; using the editor lets me choose how

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 03:27:11AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: gzipping a gzipped file doesn't make it any smaller, so compressing before making it part of the filesystem won't save space. The larger filesystem created by leaving it uncompressed will be matched by the better compressability

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Erik Andersen
On Sun Jun 10, 2001 at 08:38:50PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using the busybox help probably doesn't treat transloations very well, unless busybox wants translated help. I'm willing to accept patches to properly internationalize busybox.

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Erik Andersen
On Sun Jun 10, 2001 at 02:52:50PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: FWIW busybox does have better help if you turn it on : bb with very little help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root180316 2001-06-10 14:22:28 ./bin/busybox bb with better help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root195804 2001-06-10 14:29:32

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Erik Andersen
On Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:29:33AM -0700, David Whedon wrote: On x86: [root@slag busybox_udeb_builddir]# ll ./busybox.help -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 148988 Jun 11 10:48 ./busybox.help* [root@slag busybox_udeb_builddir]# ll ./busybox.orig -rwxr-xr-x

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:42:51AM -0600, Erik Andersen wrote: On Sun Jun 10, 2001 at 08:38:50PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using the busybox help probably doesn't treat transloations very well, unless busybox wants translated help.

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread David Whedon
Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:55:40PM +0200 wrote: On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:42:51AM -0600, Erik Andersen wrote: On Sun Jun 10, 2001 at 08:38:50PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using the busybox help probably doesn't treat transloations very

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Erik Andersen
On Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 02:03:21PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:55:40PM +0200 wrote: On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:42:51AM -0600, Erik Andersen wrote: On Sun Jun 10, 2001 at 08:38:50PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Glenn McGrath,,,
David Whedon wrote: The nice things i see about this is that the messages have a chance of being maintained if put into busybox cvs. The problem is that they are separated from the people who actually want the messages to exist (Debian), though not too far, since busybox is pretty Debian

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-11 Thread Chris Tillman
I'll propose the following, and I can help too, probably, if this sounds like a good idea: 1. translate config.XX.h in busybox. This would give us a common base for creating i18n help files. One of the following: A. provide just compile time i18n of busybox plus the creation of a number

Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread Chris Tillman
The online help for the installation system is of course quite limited due to space limitations. However, the help that is available isn't really enough for new users who are just being exposed to *nix for the first time. We can't take on the job of *nix education within the installer, but I

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread David Whedon
We can't take on the job of *nix education within the installer, but I think a few k would really be a good investment for new users. I'm willing to scrounge a few k from other places if need be... I like this idea. Let's add a new 'help' command (hard linked to man and info) that just

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 02:15:16PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: The online help for the installation system is of course quite limited due to space limitations. However, the help that is available isn't really enough for new users who are just being exposed to *nix for the first time. We can't

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread Chris Tillman
nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt why not zcat /help.gz | more ? That would work, but I used tabs to make two columns; using the editor lets me choose how much space for a tab so it's more readable and also gives the novice an interface to use to search for keywords, and scroll back and forth.

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread Chris Tillman
FWIW busybox does have better help if you turn it on : bb with very little help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root180316 2001-06-10 14:22:28 ./bin/busybox bb with better help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root195804 2001-06-10 14:29:32 ./bin/busybox That is more space than what you are proposing, but it

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread David Whedon
That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using the busybox help probably doesn't treat transloations very well, unless busybox wants translated help. -David Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 02:16:48AM +0200 wrote: Would it be an English-only file ?? Or is there a way of integrating it in

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread Chris Tillman
That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using the busybox help probably doesn't treat transloations very well, unless busybox wants translated help. -David I played around with the dynamic thing a little bit, it probably wouldn't work out well in any case. As far as duplicated

Re: Installer online help

2001-06-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 04:41:59PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt why not zcat /help.gz | more ? That would work, but I used tabs to make two columns; using the editor lets me choose how much space for a tab so it's more readable and also gives the novice