Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh, I wasn't expecting to commit it myself, but why not. Yes, it is
sthibaul-guest.
Please do the commit. Remember to add a note on the changelog about
your changes and please cite that this is going to be used just when
doing the release and that it
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Samuel Thibault, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 01:39:31 +0100, a écrit :
Frans Pop, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 02:05:45 +0200, a écrit :
Better to just use 0/1 as values and only test for '= 1' (or test for
set/unset, not
Otavio Salvador, le Wed 20 Aug 2008 15:40:09 -0300, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Samuel Thibault, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 01:39:31 +0100, a écrit :
Frans Pop, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 02:05:45 +0200, a écrit :
Better to just use 0/1 as values and only test for '= 1' (or test
Samuel Thibault, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 01:39:31 +0100, a écrit :
Frans Pop, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 02:05:45 +0200, a écrit :
Better to just use 0/1 as values and only test for '= 1' (or test for
set/unset, not sure what is more common).
At least DEBUG uses y/n, so I have done the same in the
On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is a patch. I didn't know how I should detect the kind of build,
I just made it look at the udebs source.
I don't think it's smart to use USE_UDEBS_FROM here. Better use a
dedicated variable. Also, please use '[ test ] [ test ]' instead
Frans Pop, le Tue 12 Aug 2008 10:29:23 +0200, a écrit :
On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is a patch. I didn't know how I should detect the kind of build,
I just made it look at the udebs source.
I don't think it's smart to use USE_UDEBS_FROM here. Better use a
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Otavio Salvador, le Mon 11 Aug 2008 22:06:50 -0300, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Samuel Thibault, le Tue 12 Aug 2008 00:10:26 +0100, a écrit :
Still no feedback on this?
(I mean feedback from debian-boot, I got some from
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Also, please use '[ test ] [ test ]' instead of '[ test -a
test ]'.
I'm curious: why?
Coding Style.
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Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From my POV it looks good. Let's wait few days to see if someone nack
it or something, otherwise I'll commit it in the end of week.
Samuel,
Please address both points spoted by Frans and resubmit it.
Thanks a lot.
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On Tue, Aug 12, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Snip.
Also, please use '[ test ] [ test ]' instead of '[ test -a
test ]'.
I'm curious: why?
To bash specific. Have a look at the dash man page.
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Hello,
Here is an corrected patch
Samuel
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On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is an corrected patch
Looks fine to me.
Only wonder if it would not make more sense to rename the variable to
BOOT_BEEP or BEEP_ON_BOOT or SYSLINUX_BEEP. MENU could easily be confused
with the D-I main menu.
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Frans Pop, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 00:51:29 +0200, a écrit :
On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is an corrected patch
Looks fine to me.
Only wonder if it would not make more sense to rename the variable to
BOOT_BEEP or BEEP_ON_BOOT or SYSLINUX_BEEP. MENU could easily be
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is an corrected patch
Looks fine to me.
Shouldn't there be a left bracket after the ?
(It's missing in several places.)
if [ $$outfile == menu.cfg ] $$MENU_BEEP ];
On Wednesday 13 August 2008, Per Andersson wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is an corrected patch
Looks fine to me.
Shouldn't there be a left bracket after the ?
(It's missing in several
Per Andersson, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 01:31:37 +0200, a écrit :
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is an corrected patch
Looks fine to me.
Shouldn't there be a left bracket after the ?
(It's missing
Samuel Thibault, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 00:54:15 +0100, a écrit :
Per Andersson, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 01:31:37 +0200, a écrit :
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Here is an corrected patch
Looks fine to
Frans Pop, le Wed 13 Aug 2008 02:05:45 +0200, a écrit :
Better to just use 0/1 as values and only test for '= 1' (or test for
set/unset, not sure what is more common).
At least DEBUG uses y/n, so I have done the same in the attached fixed
patch.
Samuel
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Samuel Thibault, le Tue 12 Aug 2008 00:10:26 +0100, a écrit :
Still no feedback on this?
(I mean feedback from debian-boot, I got some from debian-accessibility,
the feature was greatly appreciated).
Samuel
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Hello,
Still no feedback on this?
Samuel Thibault, le Sun 20 Jul 2008 15:47:18 +0100, a écrit :
Otavio Salvador, le Thu 17 Jul 2008 20:33:36 -0300, a écrit :
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I do agree it is annoying, but as Sebastien
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Samuel Thibault, le Tue 12 Aug 2008 00:10:26 +0100, a écrit :
Still no feedback on this?
(I mean feedback from debian-boot, I got some from debian-accessibility,
the feature was greatly appreciated).
It would be acceptable for release images. Could
Otavio Salvador, le Mon 11 Aug 2008 22:06:50 -0300, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Samuel Thibault, le Tue 12 Aug 2008 00:10:26 +0100, a écrit :
Still no feedback on this?
(I mean feedback from debian-boot, I got some from debian-accessibility,
the feature was
Otavio Salvador, le Thu 17 Jul 2008 20:33:36 -0300, a écrit :
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(No need to CC me
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I do agree it is annoying, but as Sebastien said, it's just about
installation. I've asked a few people, they said they
Stephen Frazier, le Sat 19 Jul 2008 23:11:36 -0500, a écrit :
I know that other people with a different set up may not like the
beeps. So, why not make it an option.
An option at debian-installer build time you mean?
If there was a way to pass an option dont beep to an already existing
boot
I am not blind, but I would like the installer to beep each time it needs input. The monitor that is
used when I am installing Debian is located left of the monitor I normally use just outside my
sight. When I am trying to do other work during an install I would like the beep to tell me to look
Hi,
IIRC correctly it has been discussed before and was rejected as to
annoying for the normal case. I must say I agree with that.
And I do also. However, I'd like to ask the folloing question: assuming
that this may be of some help for others, would such an annoyance really
be unacceptable ?
Frans Pop, le Thu 17 Jul 2008 07:15:38 +0200, a écrit :
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Samuel Thibault, le Thu 19 Jun 2008 11:08:32 +0100, a écrit :
It is a bit hard for blind people to know exactly when they can type
boot options for the installer. It would be helpful
(No need to CC me
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I do agree it is annoying, but as Sebastien said, it's just about
installation. I've asked a few people, they said they wouldn't
complain if it could help others.
It's annoying for me amongst others. I do huge numbers of
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 07:15:38AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Samuel Thibault, le Thu 19 Jun 2008 11:08:32 +0100, a écrit :
It is a bit hard for blind people to know exactly when they can type
boot options for the installer. It would be
Daniel Dalton, le Thu 17 Jul 2008 20:22:52 +1000, a écrit :
But, the beep would solve this. I know it wouldn't help on a laptop, but
still.
Why wouldn't it help on a laptop? If there is no internal speaker maybe
you could use headphone?
Samuel
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Frans Pop, le Thu 17 Jul 2008 12:32:39 +0200, a écrit :
I could see myself agreeing if you can come up with an implementation that
only includes the beep for official builds (i.e. the addition of the beep
is triggered by something in debian/rules).
That should be feasible, so I guess that's
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:34:49AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Daniel Dalton, le Thu 17 Jul 2008 20:22:52 +1000, a écrit :
But, the beep would solve this. I know it wouldn't help on a laptop, but
still.
Why wouldn't it help on a laptop?
No console tone generator (pc speaker)?
If there
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:32:00PM +0200, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
For example a beep is generated everytime gdm gets started during the
bootup of a machine. I do not know anyone who would complain of that
Very good point, so why isn't that annoying? So surely gdm logins would
be ran
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Daniel Dalton wrote:
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:32:00PM +0200, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
For example a beep is generated everytime gdm gets started during the
bootup of a machine. I do not know anyone who would complain of that
Very good point, so why isn't that
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Frans Pop wrote:
I'm sorry folks, I have a lot of respect for the extra effort needed
every day to deal with life if you have a disability (of whatever
form), but you cannot expect the world to always change things to fit
your needs.
Note that everything in my last
Hi!
As someone that can sometimes start the installer more than 30 times a
day (which is a lot more often than one usually hears the deadred GDM
beep), I would strongly prefer to avoid a starting beep.
Starting there:
- most people probably don't start this installer that often,
- when I
Frans Pop wrote:
It's also annoying for people using automated testing setups as they'd
have random beeps coming out of their test systems, but I'll let Joey
comment on that.
I don't actually have any test systems that boot to syslinux on real
hardware, so no beeps.
Trust me, the noise of
Frans Pop wrote:
I could see myself agreeing if you can come up with an implementation that
only includes the beep for official builds (i.e. the addition of the beep
is triggered by something in debian/rules).
I don't feel that making daily builds diverge here (or in any way
that is not
Jérémy Bobbio, le Thu 17 Jul 2008 18:57:10 +0200, a écrit :
For a version of the installer with full speech synthesis support, a
custom image would probably be the _only_ option.
One of the other things that we have discussed (but not it full length)
with Samuel after his talk during the
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(No need to CC me
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I do agree it is annoying, but as Sebastien said, it's just about
installation. I've asked a few people, they said they wouldn't
complain if it could help others.
It's annoying for me
Hello,
There was no answer from debian-boot on this request:
Samuel Thibault, le Thu 19 Jun 2008 11:08:32 +0100, a écrit :
It is a bit hard for blind people to know exactly when they can type
boot options for the installer. It would be helpful that syslinux beeps
when it is ready to get
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Samuel Thibault, le Thu 19 Jun 2008 11:08:32 +0100, a écrit :
It is a bit hard for blind people to know exactly when they can type
boot options for the installer. It would be helpful that syslinux
beeps when it is ready to get input. What
Jason White, le Fri 20 Jun 2008 20:27:17 +1000, a écrit :
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 04:40:14PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Unfortunately a lot of BIOSes won't like that ; they will consider that
the keyboard is broken.
Even if the key is pressed after the POST beep, but before the boot
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:38:29AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
A lot of machines don't have a POST beep. My laptop for instance.
I thought that might be a problem. Thanks.
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 04:40:14PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Unfortunately a lot of BIOSes won't like that ; they will consider that
the keyboard is broken.
Even if the key is pressed after the POST beep, but before the boot loader has
been read from the installation medium?
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Hello,
It is a bit hard for blind people to know exactly when they can type
boot options for the installer. It would be helpful that syslinux beeps
when it is ready to get input. What do people think about it?
Samuel
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ST Hello, It is a bit hard for blind people to know exactly when
ST they can type boot options for the installer. It would be
ST helpful that syslinux beeps when it is ready to get input. What
ST do people think about it?
Sure, it
Hi,
It is a bit hard for blind people to know exactly when they can type
boot options for the installer. It would be helpful that syslinux beeps
when it is ready to get input. What do people think about it?
It'd be convenient, yes. In case people do not want an unconditional
beep, would it
Sébastien Hinderer, le Thu 19 Jun 2008 17:34:03 +0200, a écrit :
In case people do not want an unconditional beep, would it be possible
to configure syslinux so that keeping a well known combination of key
pressed while booting would make it beep when it's ready to accept
options.
Personally, I'd like to see a configuration option in the
installation, like a tasksel option that would reconfigure Debian for
the visually impared, running through the system and setting up what it
can. The only problem, beyond writing such a script, is accessing it if
you're blind.
Gaijin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Personally, I'd like to see a configuration option in the
installation, like a tasksel option that would reconfigure Debian for
the visually impared, running through the system and setting up what it
can. The only problem, beyond writing such a script,
Hello,
Mario Lang, le Thu 19 Jun 2008 23:40:38 +0200, a écrit :
The activation problem is exactly what this thread is about.
BTW, for the long term, I was also thinking about unconditional
preseeding of debconf from any USB stick which is insertd. That would
permit us to have a webpage which
Gaijin, le Thu 19 Jun 2008 13:31:34 -0700, a écrit :
Personally, I'd like to see a configuration option in the
installation, like a tasksel option that would reconfigure Debian for
the visually impared, running through the system and setting up what it
can.
That is already discussed in
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