On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:36:37AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Pretty sure it's either dbus(-{daemon,launch}) or systemd-udev.
Yes I think you are right, I must have misread the line in ps somehow.
Please stop posting random rants on debian-boot@.
Fair enough.
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Quoting Erich Schubert (2014-11-23 09:50:12)
1. There is a wide consensus that Debian continues to allow other init
systems.
2. The installer (currently) does install systemd.
3. The
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk (2014-11-23):
Quoting Erich Schubert (2014-11-23 09:50:12)
1. There is a wide consensus that Debian continues to allow other init
systems.
2. The installer (currently) does install systemd.
3. The installer CAN be used to install sysvinit via preseeding
Jonas Smedegaard dixit:
3. The installer CAN be used to install sysvinit via preseeding (and
admins should know how to use preseeding to install systems...)
[…]
script late in the install process to replace init-related packages
already installed by debian-installer.
Indeed. You can also just
Cyril Brulebois dixit:
bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not at
this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently depending
on the target distribution. The current script covers all suites from
This is not necessary. Well, not at first.
The changes to
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 13:13:05)
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk (2014-11-23):
Quoting Erich Schubert (2014-11-23 09:50:12)
1. There is a wide consensus that Debian continues to allow other
init systems.
2. The installer (currently) does install systemd.
3. The installer CAN be
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 02:02:57PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 13:13:05)
Well, I'm really unsure what you're calling inaccurate in the third
point.
It is that preseeding is the mechanism used - but I may indeed be
wrong:
I assumed the term
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de (2014-11-23):
Cyril Brulebois dixit:
bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not at
this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently depending
on the target distribution. The current script covers all suites from
This is not
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk (2014-11-23):
If you're unhappy about the initial systemd installation, that's too
bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not
at this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently
depending on the target distribution. The
Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2014-11-23 14:15:27)
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 02:02:57PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 13:13:05)
Well, I'm really unsure what you're calling inaccurate in the third
point.
It is that preseeding is the mechanism used - but I may
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 14:31:00)
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk (2014-11-23):
If you're unhappy about the initial systemd installation, that's too
bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not
at this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk (2014-11-23):
Use of a root shell can turn a Debian system into a non-Debian system
(by messing with the system in ways not following our defined rules).
Blame is on the user for doing so. Typos are unsupported.
Use of declarative hints should make it hard
...just a small addition...
On Sonntag, 23. November 2014, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Yes, you seem to have misunderstood me, because I did write this instead:
So please use the available mechanisms to “avoid” systemd if you
“need” doing so, and move on?
and moving on could perfectly
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 14:31:00)
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk (2014-11-23):
If you're unhappy about the initial systemd installation, that's too
bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not
at this late stage of
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:36:42PM +, Philip Hands wrote:
Ah, oh well then.
If one starts preseeding many of the internal bits of d-i, one can do
pretty much anything you like (and loads of things you don't like ;-) ).
If you're worried about recomending such things, I'd say that the
On Sonntag, 23. November 2014, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Perhaps it is time someone who actually knows how to make it do the
right thing to document it officially.
Debian has agreed via the tech-ctte and via the recent GR that installing
systemd by default on new installations *is* the *right
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 20:36:42 +, Philip Hands wrote:
If you want a way to do a non-shell based preseed, you _may_ be able to
get away with some combination of these:
=-=-=-=-
Template: base-installer/includes
Type: string
Description: for internal use; can be preseeded
Packages to
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 22:43:53 +, Brian Potkin wrote:
I think needs fixing for this to work.
^
#668001
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:37:41PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
Debian has agreed via the tech-ctte and via the recent GR that installing
systemd by default on new installations *is* the *right thing*.
And jessie is frozen. Since ages ;-)
A few weeks is hardly ages in the Debian release cycle
On Montag, 24. November 2014, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
So far preseed has been mentioned, although without
any details on exactly what would be needed.
the last time this was mentioned in this very thread was less than 12h ago.
*plonk*
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:28:32AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
the last time this was mentioned in this very thread was less than 12h ago.
Oh the link to a comment in a bug report happens to contain something
useful.
I will agree that it was indirectly mentioned then.
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Hi Phil,
On Sonntag, 23. November 2014, Philip Hands wrote:
Then again, I've used d-i as a presentation tool[1] -- I'm clearly
deranged.
[1] http://hands.com/d-i/lenny/classes/ukuug06/early_script
nice! I was looking for that pointer since (iirc) KiBi reminded me of it's
existance at the
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:37:41PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
Debian has agreed via the tech-ctte and via the recent GR that installing
systemd by default on new installations *is* the *right thing*.
And jessie is frozen. Since ages ;-)
Please accept that.
That said, useful patches
Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (2014-11-24):
I tested it out with a fairly minimal install and it worked fine (well
systemd-dbus is running, but that isn't init and hence not what I was
testing).
Pretty sure it's either dbus(-{daemon,launch}) or systemd-udev.
So I learned a
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