Re: Boot Order

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:41:30 -0500 lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 09:01:18PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > Why insert itself anywhere in the first place? The machine booted > > before the installation. To start installing, the installation > >

Re: Boot Order

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 09:01:18PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > Why insert itself anywhere in the first place? The machine booted > before the installation. To start installing, the installation medium > is placed in a CD drive or USB port and the machine is rebooted. During > installation, other

Re: Boot Order

On Wed, 2018-02-28 at 02:16 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 09:01:18PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:20 -0500 > > lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > > > > > > With UEFI, adding an entry to the boot meny is what you do when > >

Re: Boot Order

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 09:01:18PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: >On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:20 -0500 >lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: >> >> With UEFI, adding an entry to the boot meny is what you do when you >> install an OS you want to be able to boot. UEFI does not rely on

Re: Boot Order

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:20 -0500 lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:18:00PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes > > to the bios menu. Under "UEFI Boot Sources" the term "Hard Drive" is >

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 05:42:36PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > I would hate to have to do something because windows does it :-) > > No one's yet mentioned secure boot as a justification. AIUI some > manufacturers are making it so that you can't even disable secure boot. > How will you multi-boot

Re: Boot Order

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 05:42:36PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > No one's yet mentioned secure boot as a justification. AIUI some > manufacturers are making it so that you can't even disable secure boot. > How will you multi-boot linux and windows, or replace windows entirely > with such a machine?

Re: Boot Order

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:20 -0500 lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:18:00PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes > > to the bios menu. Under "UEFI Boot Sources" the term "Hard Drive" is >

Re: Boot Order

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:54:22 + Steve McIntyre wrote: > It seems Dan Norton has decided to selfishly make *his* spam problem > into everybody else's spam problem, and I've just had a bounce message > in response to my mail below, saying I have to ask to be added to his >

Re: Boot Order

On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 16:54 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > It seems Dan Norton has decided to selfishly make *his* spam problem > into everybody else's spam problem, and I've just had a bounce > message > in response to my mail below, saying I have to ask to be added to his > list of allowed

Re: Boot Order

It seems Dan Norton has decided to selfishly make *his* spam problem into everybody else's spam problem, and I've just had a bounce message in response to my mail below, saying I have to ask to be added to his list of allowed senders. I refuse to pander to this - I guess he will have to do without

Re: Boot Order

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 02:59:44PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > >After installing stretch, it changed to: > >UEFI Boot Sources > debian > ATAPI CD/DVD Drive > USB Floppy/CD > USB Hard Drive >Legacy Boot Sources > [...] > >If done by firmware, wouldn't grub or the installer have to tell >the

Re: Boot Order

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:40:20AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:18:00PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: >> Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes to >> the bios menu. Under "UEFI Boot Sources" the term "Hard Drive" is >> replaced with "debian" and

Re: Boot Order

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:18:00PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes to > the bios menu. Under "UEFI Boot Sources" the term "Hard Drive" is > replaced with "debian" and this entry is put first in the boot order. > > The PC is: >

Re: Boot Order

On Sun, 2018-02-25 at 17:03 -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:59:44 -0500 > Dan Norton wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 18:37:02 +0100 > > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 22:18 -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > > >

Re: Boot Order

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:59:44 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 18:37:02 +0100 > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 22:18 -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > > Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes >

Re: Boot Order

On 02/25/2018 02:35 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: On Sat, 2018-02-24 at 14:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/24/2018 01:59 PM, Dan Norton wrote: [snip] In my case, there are multiple debian installations and the installer positions the last installation at the top of the *grub* menu. This

Re: Boot Order

On Sat, 2018-02-24 at 14:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 02/24/2018 01:59 PM, Dan Norton wrote: > > [snip] > > > > In my case, there are multiple debian installations and the > installer > > positions the last installation at the top of the *grub* menu. This > > makes sense. > > Not always.

Re: Boot Order

On 02/24/2018 06:49 PM, Dan Norton wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:18:13 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/24/2018 01:59 PM, Dan Norton wrote: [snip] In my case, there are multiple debian installations and the installer positions the last installation at the top of the

Re: Boot Order

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:18:13 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 02/24/2018 01:59 PM, Dan Norton wrote: > > [snip] > > > > In my case, there are multiple debian installations and the > > installer positions the last installation at the top of the *grub* > > menu. This makes

Re: Boot Order

On 02/24/2018 01:59 PM, Dan Norton wrote: [snip] In my case, there are multiple debian installations and the installer positions the last installation at the top of the *grub* menu. This makes sense. Not always. I'm continually doing installs, tweaking them in one way or another. The last

Re: Boot Order

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 18:37:02 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 22:18 -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes > > to the bios menu. Under "UEFI Boot Sources" the term "Hard Drive" is > > replaced with

Re: Boot Order

On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 22:18 -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes to > the bios menu. Under "UEFI Boot Sources" the term "Hard Drive" is > replaced with "debian" and this entry is put first in the boot order. > > The PC is: > Hewlett-Packard

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On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:18:00PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > Installing either stretch or buster via netinst results in changes to > the bios menu. Under "UEFI Boot Sources" the term "Hard Drive" is > replaced with "debian" and this entry is put first in the boot order. > > The PC is: >