Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-03-19 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 19 March 2010, Julien Cristau wrote: > Looks like none of the Xlib locale data is used by gtk apps, so I got a > libx11-6-udeb from the current > Installed-Size: 3700 > to > Installed-Size: 1344 > by removing that. Should help with the image size, I hope (although > this is mostly text,

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-03-19 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:16:43 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > I'm pretty sure libx11 would benefit from this, as it has some code > that's not used by anything, but has to stay for ABI reasons. I believe > its locale data could be stripped down as well, somehow. > Looks like none of the Xlib l

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-26 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Frans Pop writes: > On Wednesday 24 February 2010, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > >> While I'm in Syslinux mood: version 3.85 has a full-featured gPXELinux >> component, boasting HTTP support (among others). Image loading over >> HTTP is *much* faster than over TFTP. On the other hand, it requires an >

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 February 2010, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > While I'm in Syslinux mood: version 3.85 has a full-featured gPXELinux > component, boasting HTTP support (among others). Image loading over > HTTP is *much* faster than over TFTP. On the other hand, it requires an > additional HTTP server, an

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 February 2010, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Frans Pop (19/02/2010): > > 1) every MB pushes other packages off the 1st full CD and DVD. > > While I can understand the ultimate goal, I'm not sure saving a few kB > here and there is going to make such a difference in the end. (As you > no

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-24 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Frans Pop writes: > Why image size is important > [...] > 2) makes loading the image for netboot installs slower While I'm in Syslinux mood: version 3.85 has a full-featured gPXELinux component, boasting HTTP support (among others). Image loading over HTTP is *much* faster than over TFTP. On t

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-23 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Frans Pop (19/02/2010): > Why image size is important > --- > 1) every MB pushes other packages off the 1st full CD and DVD This > may not seem like a major issue, but it's something that causes the > debian-cd team headaches. The space on especially the first CD is > at a

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-19 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:52:42 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Julien Cristau, le Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:38:22 +0100, a écrit : > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:27:50 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Julien Cristau, le Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:16:43 +0100, a écrit : > > > > All X needs is an SHA1 impleme

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
Julien Cristau, le Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:38:22 +0100, a écrit : > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:27:50 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Julien Cristau, le Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:16:43 +0100, a écrit : > > > All X needs is an SHA1 implementation, which is likely a very small part > > > of libgcrypt. > > > >

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-19 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:27:50 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Julien Cristau, le Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:16:43 +0100, a écrit : > > All X needs is an SHA1 implementation, which is likely a very small part > > of libgcrypt. > > Mmm, why does it need it? (I guess the whole authentication mechanisms

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-19 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:16:43AM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > All X needs is an SHA1 implementation, which is likely a very small part > of libgcrypt. Hmm, it is used by the Render extension, how important is this extension? gtk seems to use it, but I can run all the basic gnome programs while

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
Julien Cristau, le Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:16:43 +0100, a écrit : > All X needs is an SHA1 implementation, which is likely a very small part > of libgcrypt. Mmm, why does it need it? (I guess the whole authentication mechanisms could just be disabled). Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boo

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-19 Thread Julien Cristau
Hi Frans, thanks for your feedback on this. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 07:46:37 +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > How image size could be reduced > --- > In general: many small savings can add up to a significant reduction. > > * try to avoid some dependencies altogether > Two

Re: Switching g-i from DirectFB to X11 -- image size; library reduction

2010-02-18 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 08 February 2010, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > If you were to build a netboot-gtk image using DirectFB, and to > compare with one using X11, one gets: >   DirectFB:  9191 extents written (17 MB) >   X11     : 11239 extents written (21 MB) Let's first look at image size in a bit more detail.