Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Sam Hartman
Anthony == Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 07:32:10PM -0400, Sam Hartman Anthony wrote: So, I think that support in tools besides tasksel is critical to this policy proposal being useful. I don't like the idea of having

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 09:55:48AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: Anthony == Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony Remember: the point of tasks is to make the initial Anthony install simpler, so that people can get started on Debian Anthony without having to wade through

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Sam Hartman
Anthony == Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, that was the original point of tasks. However, tasks are also used today by people who want to get a set of software installed after the initial install. [...] Yet I understand we have finite time. Would it be

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: You can always run tasksel, select the task, and go Ok, instead of using apt-get install ... though. Making tasksel install server-dns just go ahead and install the task, bypassing the UI, would be fairly simple too. Another option would be to add real reverse dependancy

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: So, here's the deal. We need to get a proper policy for tasks fairly soon. Amen. tasksel in sid supports a Task: header for packages so we can be a little more flexible than having every task- depend on everythig in it. This was discussed on -devel just after potato

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:19:20PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: Anthony == Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony You Anthony check the code out from CVS, or do an apt-get source, you Anthony write the code, and you send it to Randolph. It doesn't Anthony need

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:05:14PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: I don't recall a discussion of or decision on using overrides files. Well, uh, you were in it... Overrides files may not be quite the most accurate way of expressing it. Certainly, I don't mean overrides files that ftpmaster takes care

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:05:14PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: I don't recall a discussion of or decision on using overrides files. Well, uh, you were in it... Overrides files may not be quite the most accurate way of expressing it. Certainly, I

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Joey Hess
It occurs to me that what AJ's trying to do and its results can perhaps be restated as follows (with apologies to AJ -- you have the best of intentions): * Move control of what packages a task includes out of the hands of the creator of the task, and into the hands of people who have commits

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:34:26PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: * Move control of what packages a task includes out of the hands of the creator of the task, and into the hands of people who have commits to some cvs repository somewhere[1]. Like boot-floppies CVS which every developer and a few

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: Or moving them into the task package themselves, but not in the control record? Or shall we just forget I suggested that originally. Well, I had. That's a reasonable alternative. Oh, except, I seem to remember you wanted to use some special-purpose field for it, when we

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 11:04:34PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Anthony Towns wrote: Or moving them into the task package themselves, but not in the control record? Or shall we just forget I suggested that originally. Well, I had. Well, it's possible I wasn't explicit enough. What I said was:

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 04:42:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: (Cc'ed to debian-boot) (First in porbably a series of policy changes needed for woody...) So, here's the deal. We need to get a proper policy for tasks fairly soon. tasksel in sid supports a Task: header for packages so we

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 08:23:52PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Would it not be much easier for the task packages _themselves_ to contain Task: fields, instead of the individual packages, which would function like weak Recommends: fields: Not really. The code's already written to do

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Mark Eichin
err, does this break the use of tasks with apt-get later on? I've found it very useful to do (for example) apt-get install task-x-window-system after getting a machine otherwise working (in particular, that's the easy way to go to xf4 - install 2.2, then point to testing, then apt-get install

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:42:49AM -0400, Mark Eichin wrote: err, does this break the use of tasks with apt-get later on? I've found it very useful to do (for example) apt-get install task-x-window-system Possibly. task-x-window-system isn't really the greatest example of a task, though. You

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:42:49AM -0400, Mark Eichin wrote: err, does this break the use of tasks with apt-get later on? I've found it very useful to do (for example) apt-get install task-x-window-system after getting a machine otherwise working (in particular, that's the easy way to go to

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 06 May 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: So, here's the deal. We need to get a proper policy for tasks fairly soon. I agree. The current task-* packages are mostly useless cruft for what they were supposed to do, i.e. help users during the install. * There should only be a limited

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Joey Hess
Julian Gilbey wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:42:49AM -0400, Mark Eichin wrote: err, does this break the use of tasks with apt-get later on? I've found it very useful to do (for example) apt-get install task-x-window-system after getting a machine otherwise working (in particular,

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Sam Hartman
Anthony == Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony --HG+GLK89HZ1zG0kk Content-Type: text/plain; Anthony charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Anthony Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anthony On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:42:49AM -0400, Mark Eichin

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:23:47PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: My thought was that apt and dselect would be taught to recognise Tasks: as a new type of dependency header, similar to Depends, Recommends and Suggests, but with slightly different rules. If this were done, I would much prefer it

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
Replying to a few messages at once. On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 06:16:29PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: My thought was that apt and dselect would be taught to recognise Tasks: as a new type of dependency header, similar to Depends, Recommends and Suggests, but with slightly different rules. On

Tasks policy

2001-05-06 Thread Anthony Towns
(Cc'ed to debian-boot) (First in porbably a series of policy changes needed for woody...) So, here's the deal. We need to get a proper policy for tasks fairly soon. tasksel in sid supports a Task: header for packages so we can be a little more flexible than having every task- depend on