On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:11:30 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
> "Stephen Powell" wrote:
>> (blah blah blah blah)
>
> Nobody cares if you are opposed to it. Unless you are offering to become
> lilo upstream, it's going away.
>
> William
I do understand why a Debian
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 03:22:46 -0400 (EDT), sean finney wrote:
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 01:44:05AM +0400, William Pitcock wrote:
Have fun. When you have a release that actually has merit, it can be
reconsidered for inclusion in Debian.
In the meantime, the original plan continues.
actually,
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
You're missing the point. The main selling point to management
is that Linux is free. If they have to buy new backup software
in order to accommodate Linux' backup requirements, that will
kill it on the spot. Whatever boot
* Stephen Powell (zlinux...@wowway.com) [100523 21:21]:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
lilo can reliably
On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT), Andreas Barth wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:12:27 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
No software is entirely without cost ...
volunteers work on whatever they like ...
your specific requirements may differ from their goals ...
volunteers are rarely concerned with market share ...
Le vendredi 28 mai 2010 à 10:45 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit :
Unfortunately, logical backups of a Linux machine using the extlinux
boot loader do not work with our backup/restore software. The master boot
record and partition boot sector are restored correctly, but
In gmane.linux.debian.devel.general Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
But like lilo it stays out of unallocated (and therefore not backed up)
sectors. The boot block of extlinux is installed in the boot sector
of a partition, and the second stage loader occupies a file within the
Stefan Monnier, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:58:14 -0400, a écrit :
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo.
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside
of the master boot record (cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other
words they use cylinder 0, head 0,
Samuel Thibault wrote:
[snip]
Grub1 could because it was small enough to fit in a well-known usable
area in the ext2fs filesystem, but grub2 can not any more.
In the filesystem, you're sure? I'm curious, what part?
[snip]
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Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
Paul Vojta, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:47:14 +, a écrit :
In article enjn8-64s...@gated-at.bofh.it,
Ferenc Wagner wf...@niif.hu wrote:
Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself. If there's anything
which only LILO can do, I recommend you
2010/5/26 Joachim Wiedorn ad_deb...@joonet.de:
Harald Braumann ha...@unheit.net wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010:
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite well.
This is enough to use grub2 for new installing of Debian.
On other systems it often
Bjørn Mork, le Wed 26 May 2010 10:45:49 +0200, a écrit :
Just comparing http://git.kernel.org/?p=boot/syslinux/syslinux.git with
http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub/ should IMHO give more
than enough information to choose extlinux over grub2
I don't understand what you mean here.
On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:04 -0400 (EDT), Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 05/26/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
...
That works for now; but if a package upgrade for extlinux is ever
downloaded, I'm afraid that new versions of the hook scripts will
be copied into these directories which are
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo. Both grub-legacy and
grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of the master boot record
(cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other words they use cylinder 0, head 0,
sector 2 and possibly subsequent sectors on cylinder 0 head 0.
Really?
Stefan Monnier, le Wed 26 May 2010 14:23:44 -0400, a écrit :
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo. Both grub-legacy and
grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of the master boot record
(cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other words they use cylinder 0, head 0,
sector
On Thursday 27 May 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Because the question is where?. The lilo approach is inside the
filesystem, which can break. The grub approach is right after MBR,
which needs room there.
grub (legacy) can be installed in any partition. IIUC grub2 is limited to
being installed
Frans Pop, le Thu 27 May 2010 01:32:17 +0200, a écrit :
On Thursday 27 May 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Because the question is where?. The lilo approach is inside the
filesystem, which can break. The grub approach is right after MBR,
which needs room there.
grub (legacy) can be
Paul Vojta, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:47:14 +, a écrit :
In article enjn8-64s...@gated-at.bofh.it,
Ferenc Wagner wf...@niif.hu wrote:
Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself. If there's anything
which only LILO can do, I recommend you start complaining on the
Syslinux and the
for much. But I am opposed to the removal of lilo.
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside
of the master boot record (cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1). In other
words they use cylinder 0, head 0, sector 2 and possibly subsequent
sectors on cylinder 0 head 0.
Hi,
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
(4) Users need to test grub2 now.
I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
systems with mixed success.
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
Well, I tried extlinux last
On Tue, 25 May 2010 07:08:20 -0400 (EDT), Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org wrote:
This bug *can* be fixed, but not without a significant rewrite of the
way that lilo's stage2 loader code works. Given that there is no
active upstream and that the Debian
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:22:13AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
Speaking of documentation, that seems to be its main weakness.
Documentation is sketchy and spread out over a number of different files.
I would have had a hard time configuring it if it weren't for
correct guesses based
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in
On Mon, 24 May 2010 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
(3) The need for special backup requirements will be
used by the opponents of Linux at my place of employment
to oppose further deployments of Linux, ...
What about the carrot approach? Find an even
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.comwrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
(3) The need for special backup requirements will be
used by the opponents of Linux at my place of employment
to oppose further
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:51:11 -0400 (EDT), Mark mamar...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.comwrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
(3) The need for special backup requirements will be
used by the
On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT), Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
You're missing the point. The main selling point to management
is that Linux is free.
No software is entirely without cost. Free Software is no exception. There
are usually no up-front
Harald Braumann ha...@unheit.net wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010:
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite well.
This is enough to use grub2 for new installing of Debian.
On other systems it often breaks miserably. Updates leave my system
Original Message
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To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org, debian-u...@lists.debian.org,
debian-boot@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Re (2): lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test
grub2)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:51:11
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
... I installed the mbr package ...
The extlinux package itself also contains an mbr.bin, which you can use
(it's strong point is probably EBIOS support).
So it does. Well, I've now installed extlinux'
On 05/26/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
That works for now; but if a package upgrade for extlinux is ever
downloaded, I'm afraid that new versions of the hook scripts will
be copied into these directories which are marked executable, and
my hand-made configuration file will get wiped
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
There should
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
software that my employer uses. This backup software backs up the
master boot record and all partitions; but
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
is
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
software that my employer uses. This backup
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
This means that users should
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, it is the *only* bootloader which supports
setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
the master boot record and outside of a partition. If I'm wrong about
that, someone please correct me.
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record [...]
You may want to try extlinux, it works
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT), Edward Allcutt wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, lilo is the *only* bootloader which supports
setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
the master boot record and outside of a
On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
sometime ago i've added extliux-install and
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use
Daniel Baumann dan...@debian.org writes:
On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
Le dimanche 23 mai 2010 à 20:48 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit :
I do understand why a Debian package maintainer does not wish to become
upstream. And I hope that someone who is both willing and able to do
so steps up to the plate. But withdrawing it from the distribution seems
like overkill
Le lundi 24 mai 2010 à 20:46 +0200, Daniel Baumann a écrit :
On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan
On 05/24/2010 10:07 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Could this also be eventually added as an alternative to grub2 in the
installer?
i've talked with otavio about this already a year ago, as i'm much in
favour[0] of extlinux over grub2 anyway, but i didn't got arround to
finally push it. if anyone
(Dropping -release, which isn't a discussion list.)
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
Given that there is no active upstream and that the Debian lilo
package carries many patches for bug fixes that are alleviated by
standardizing on grub2, this seems like the best option
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
There should also be some folks fixing the
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
lilo can reliably determine the payload size.
This bug *can* be fixed, but not
Hi,
- Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
(blah blah blah blah)
Nobody cares if you are opposed to it. Unless you are offering to become
lilo upstream, it's going away.
William
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On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:11:30 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
(blah blah blah blah)
Nobody cares if you are opposed to it. Unless you are offering to become
lilo upstream, it's going away.
William
I do understand why a Debian package
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
But withdrawing it from the distribution seems like overkill to me,
especially since you want to withdraw it from Squeeze and not
Squeeze+1. Lilo, as it exists today, works just fine for my
purposes.
If the maintainer doesn't wish to maintain it for
Hi,
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
lilo can reliably determine the payload size.
This bug *can* be fixed, but not without a significant rewrite of the
way that lilo's stage2 loader
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