Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 06:03:38PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h Anthony Towns wrote on Tue Jul 16, 2002 um 01:39:21AM: We can stick with boot-floppies for Woody+1 and release Debian-4.0 with DI ;) No, no we can't. You like argumenting with semi-technical reasons - so which one is it this time? Good grief, you _weren't_ joking? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/ I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``If you don't do it now, you'll be one year older when you do.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 05:49, Timshel Knoll wrote: The bigger issue is that parted is very strict about the partition tables it reads, so parted will not work well with inconsistent / dodgy partition tables which may have been caused by other programs. The ability to resize filesystems in the installer would be _very_ cool, however, but there may need to be a fallback method to normal fdisk ... That seems rather unfortunate. Is there nothing that can be done to make parted more tolerant of dodgy partition tables? A fallback to fdisk would be possible, but that's something we would want to avoid if it's at all feasible to do so, both from a standpoint of reducing the amount of code that has to be shipped with the installer, and providing a consistent user experience. p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
#include hallo.h Anthony Towns wrote on Tue Jul 16, 2002 um 04:53:26PM: We can stick with boot-floppies for Woody+1 and release Debian-4.0 with DI ;) No, no we can't. You like argumenting with semi-technical reasons - so which one is it this time? Good grief, you _weren't_ joking? Nope. The smiley was for Debian-4.0. If we cannot guarantee stable DI in appropriate time, the whole distribution should not wait for it. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Anwender1: Mein WIN95 ist in 6 Monaten noch NIE abgestürzt... Anwender2: Ein halbes Jahr ohne Strom - das ist hart! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Build failures on SID
Hello, Why do you still build using sid packages? We switched to Woody a while ago. Great, thanks. boot-floppies doesn't work with debootstrap, python2.1-xml and fileutils from sid. But isn't packages in SID which will be merged into woody? BTW, it seems that I hit another problems: I: extracting packages (EXTRACT_LIST) into extract area, '/var/tmp/boot-floppies/extract-tmp-19000' I: stripping executables in extract area I: making devices in root area, '/var/tmp/boot-floppies/root-tmp-19000' I: making prototype filesystem, '/var/tmp/boot-floppies/prototype-tmp-19000' I: modifying init script for LANGUAGE_CHOOSER I: including font for bterm I: including C@utf-8 locale I: modifying init script, /etc/init.d/rcS I: making lazybox links I: moving prototype area to root staging area I: moving extracted files (SMALL_BASE_LIST) from extract area to root area tar: sbin/dhclient-2.2.x: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors E: failed to extract sbin/dhclient-2.2.x into /var/tmp/boot-floppies/root-tmp-19000 from /var/tmp/boot-floppies/extract-tmp-19000 E: ./rootdisk.sh abort after correcting that (changed dhclient-2.2.x to dhclient, which is there) the next problem is: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/documentation' mkdir -p -m 0755 /usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/ install -m 644 -p install.en.txt install.html/install.en.html cfdisk.txt fdisk.txt dselect-beginner.html/dselect-beginner.en.html dselect-beginner.en.txt install.en.pdf index.en.html officiallogo-nd-50.jpg openlogo-nd-50.jpg \ dselect-beginner.html/ch-conclusion.en.html dselect-beginner.html/ch-glossary.en.html dselect-beginner.html/ch-intro.en.html dselect-beginner.html/ch-main.en.html dselect-beginner.html/dselect-beginner.en.html install.html/ch-administrivia.en.html install.html/ch-appendix.en.html install.html/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html install.html/ch-hardware-req.en.html install.html/ch-init-config.en.html install.html/ch-install-methods.en.html install.html/ch-install-system.en.html install.html/ch-partitioning.en.html install.html/ch-post-install.en.html install.html/ch-preparing.en.html install.html/ch-rescue-boot.en.html install.html/ch-welcome.en.html install.html/footnotes.en.html install.html/install.en.html \ /usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/ install: will not overwrite just-created `/usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/dselect-beginner.en.html' with `dselect-beginner.html/dselect-beginner.en.html'install: will not overwrite just-created `/usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/install.en.html' with `install.html/install.en.html' fileutils (which has the install program) in woody doesn't complain about this. I think at least the last one is a bug in boot-floppies... For the others, I don't know. [ Free Software ISOs - ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/ ]--- Attila Nagy e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Network (FSN.HU)phone @work: +361 210 1415 (194) cell.: +3630 306 6758 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 02:30:15PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h Anthony Towns wrote on Tue Jul 16, 2002 um 04:53:26PM: We can stick with boot-floppies for Woody+1 and release Debian-4.0 with DI ;) No, no we can't. You like argumenting with semi-technical reasons - so which one is it this time? Good grief, you _weren't_ joking? Nope. The smiley was for Debian-4.0. If we cannot guarantee stable DI in appropriate time, the whole distribution should not wait for it. For the installer, porting is a major effort, because architectural differences are greatest when dealing with the hardware at a low level such as during partitioning/booting. i386 is the _best_-understood. Then once you get something done, you also have to get it documented and translated. I think for woody+1 we could have other options available on an experimental basis, but that b-f would be our recommendation for those that d-i doesn't work for (which could be quite a few). -- *--v- Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 v--* | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual | | debian-imac (potato): http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net | |Chris Tillman[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | May the Source be with you | ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:36:11AM +0100, Philip Blundell wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 05:49, Timshel Knoll wrote: The bigger issue is that parted is very strict about the partition tables it reads, so parted will not work well with inconsistent / dodgy partition tables which may have been caused by other programs. The ability to resize filesystems in the installer would be _very_ cool, however, but there may need to be a fallback method to normal fdisk ... That seems rather unfortunate. Is there nothing that can be done to make parted more tolerant of dodgy partition tables? A fallback to fdisk would be possible, but that's something we would want to avoid if it's at all feasible to do so, both from a standpoint of reducing the amount of code that has to be shipped with the installer, and providing a consistent user experience. p. Wouldn't it be possible to write an API to fdisk so we could fall back to it underneath without affecting the presentation? -- *--v- Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 v--* | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual | | debian-imac (potato): http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net | |Chris Tillman[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | May the Source be with you | ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Build failures on SID
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 03:54:01PM +0200, Attila Nagy wrote: Hello, Why do you still build using sid packages? We switched to Woody a while ago. Great, thanks. boot-floppies doesn't work with debootstrap, python2.1-xml and fileutils from sid. But isn't packages in SID which will be merged into woody? BTW, it seems that I hit another problems: I: extracting packages (EXTRACT_LIST) into extract area, '/var/tmp/boot-floppies/extract-tmp-19000' I: stripping executables in extract area I: making devices in root area, '/var/tmp/boot-floppies/root-tmp-19000' I: making prototype filesystem, '/var/tmp/boot-floppies/prototype-tmp-19000' I: modifying init script for LANGUAGE_CHOOSER I: including font for bterm I: including C@utf-8 locale I: modifying init script, /etc/init.d/rcS I: making lazybox links I: moving prototype area to root staging area I: moving extracted files (SMALL_BASE_LIST) from extract area to root area tar: sbin/dhclient-2.2.x: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors E: failed to extract sbin/dhclient-2.2.x into /var/tmp/boot-floppies/root-tmp-19000 from /var/tmp/boot-floppies/extract-tmp-19000 E: ./rootdisk.sh abort after correcting that (changed dhclient-2.2.x to dhclient, which is there) the next problem is: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/documentation' mkdir -p -m 0755 /usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/ install -m 644 -p install.en.txt install.html/install.en.html cfdisk.txt fdisk.txt dselect-beginner.html/dselect-beginner.en.html dselect-beginner.en.txt install.en.pdf index.en.html officiallogo-nd-50.jpg openlogo-nd-50.jpg \ dselect-beginner.html/ch-conclusion.en.html dselect-beginner.html/ch-glossary.en.html dselect-beginner.html/ch-intro.en.html dselect-beginner.html/ch-main.en.html dselect-beginner.html/dselect-beginner.en.html install.html/ch-administrivia.en.html install.html/ch-appendix.en.html install.html/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html install.html/ch-hardware-req.en.html install.html/ch-init-config.en.html install.html/ch-install-methods.en.html install.html/ch-install-system.en.html install.html/ch-partitioning.en.html install.html/ch-post-install.en.html install.html/ch-preparing.en.html install.html/ch-rescue-boot.en.html install.html/ch-welcome.en.html install.html/footnotes.en.html install.html/install.en.html \ /usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/ install: will not overwrite just-created `/usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/dselect-beginner.en.html' with `dselect-beginner.html/dselect-beginner.en.html'install: will not overwrite just-created `/usr/src/boot-floppies-sid/release/doc/install.en.html' with `install.html/install.en.html' Did you do make distclean? I think that would take care of that, and it would be a necessity after being in sid. -- *--v- Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 v--* | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual | | debian-imac (potato): http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net | |Chris Tillman[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | May the Source be with you | ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
* Eduard Bloch | Nope. The smiley was for Debian-4.0. If we cannot guarantee stable DI in | appropriate time, the whole distribution should not wait for it. We can't guarantee anything, but we _will_ have a stable d-i in appropriate time. We _must_ have a stable d-i in time. The alternative is PGI (or both). Not b-f. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
* Chris Tillman | For the installer, porting is a major effort, because architectural | differences are greatest when dealing with the hardware at a low level | such as during partitioning/booting. i386 is the _best_-understood. True. Help for other architectures is appreciated, and needed. After my vacation is over (sometime in August), I'll hopefully have a working i386 installer and begin getting this working on sparc. Apart from that, I have an old Quadra 700 which I might play around with, but that is _not_ a priority for me ATM. (Since I don't have the right cable to network it.) it would be nice if somebody started working on getting d-i to work on ppc, for instance. I don't think I can get my hands on recent ppc hardware, and creating an installation system on a system which requires a linuxppc cd in order to boot is doomed. :) other arches like mips, mipsel, hppa, s390, arm etc will have to be taken care of by people who know those arches. The same goes for our Hurd and *BSD people -- if you want to release with woody + 1, you will have to have a working installation system. | Then once you get something done, you also have to get it documented | and translated. Development docs are actually written as we go. Translations and user docs are absolutely needed, but impossible to do at this point. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 15:05, Chris Tillman wrote: Wouldn't it be possible to write an API to fdisk so we could fall back to it underneath without affecting the presentation? Sure, it would be possible, but it's gonna be a chunk of extra work. I would much rather put the effort into making parted acceptable as the sole partitioning program. p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Build failures on SID
Hello, Did you do make distclean? I think that would take care of that, and it would be a necessity after being in sid. Of course I did. The problem seems to be with duplicates. install, from an older fileutils (woody) did not complain, but the one in sid does. [ Free Software ISOs - ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/ ]--- Attila Nagy e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Network (FSN.HU)phone @work: +361 210 1415 (194) cell.: +3630 306 6758 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm expecting some working installation systems (PGI, d-i, whatever) within a couple of months... (i386 only, and other limitations, sure, but working nevertheless) PGI works now. As for parted's stability, we have been using it since Progeny Debian, and have never had stability or reliability problems. The only problem we did have was the old release we shipped with Progeny Debian was very picky about partition tables. It could not read tables created by Windows ME and some tables even from other GNU/Linux installers. These problems have since been addressed, and we have had zero problems with parted in PGI. -- Eric Gillespie * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Developer Progeny Linux Systems - http://progeny.com/ When everyone has to reinvent the wheel, many people invent square wheels. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#152845: debootstrap example
At 5:35 +0200 7/16/02, Matt Kraai wrote: tag 152845 pending thanks On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:50:54PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: I think it should go away too. I suppose a person could want to build their own debs.tar if the archive version had been left to get out of date, and they needed to install on a non-networked machine. Rather a corner case. Yeah! Someone agrees with me, so I've removed it. Okay. Kind Regards, the submitter of the bug, Geert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#148785: Bug #148785: not installable on sun4c
Well, I can confirm that this happens for me too with the current woody tftpboot.img. But I'm fairly sure I've been able to install potato at some point in the past, unlike the original poster by the looks of things. It seems that this has to be either a problem either with silo or the tftp image build process, dunno which at the moment. p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
#include hallo.h Tollef Fog Heen wrote on Tue Jul 16, 2002 um 04:58:19PM: | Nope. The smiley was for Debian-4.0. If we cannot guarantee stable DI in | appropriate time, the whole distribution should not wait for it. We can't guarantee anything, but we _will_ have a stable d-i in appropriate time. We _must_ have a stable d-i in time. The alternative is PGI (or both). Not b-f. Why not? It works. It is available and stable. It is smart. It does not require large media or network connection to load even the installation subsystem. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- My growing impression of C++, object-oriented programming, etc., is that it attempts to allow programmers to conveniently reuse their mistakes. -- Stephen Uitti -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Task French mozilla-locale-fr
Aurelien Jarno wrote: And do you think it is a good idea to add mozilla-locale-fr to the French task ? In this case, I think mozilla-locale-de-at, mozilla-locale-gl-es and mozilla-locale-ja should also be added to the corresponding tasks. Yes we can add them. However, instead of dragging in the entire mozilla browser if you pick a language-specific task and just say, mail-server, it may be better to add them to already horribly bloated desktop task. I take it that the only reason these mozilla-locale packages exist is because they have a different source than mozilla? They're certianly not saving any appreciable amount of space va the huge installed-size on mozilla itself, and they're making things harder for me and our users overall. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:43:00AM -0500, Eric Gillespie wrote: Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm expecting some working installation systems (PGI, d-i, whatever) within a couple of months... (i386 only, and other limitations, sure, but working nevertheless) PGI works now. As for parted's stability, we have been using it since Progeny Debian, and have never had stability or reliability problems. The only problem we did have was the old release we shipped with Progeny Debian was very picky about partition tables. It could not read tables created by Windows ME and some tables even from other GNU/Linux installers. These problems have since been addressed, and we have had zero problems with parted in PGI. Umm, I know Jimmy Kaplowski filed a bug which we worked around, and I've seen some problems on powerpc. Zero is a bit less than true. -- *--v- Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 v--* | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual | | debian-imac (potato): http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net | |Chris Tillman[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | May the Source be with you | ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 00:58, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: in order to get debian-installer into working shape, it is obvious that the user has some way to partition the hard drive. An auto-partitioner will probably only need debconf as it's UI. However, manual partitioning using debconf will be very painful. Developing a debconf partitioning widget might be a little overkill, so I am not sure how we want to solve this challenge. Ah, I just noticed that there is already a newt-based parted frontend (nparted), which will do for dialog mode. The standard parted should suffice for readline mode; I think it should be easy enough to put together something in Gtk for gnome mode, plus a shell script to multiplex the three of them based on $DEBIAN_FRONTEND, and we should be all set. p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
#include hallo.h Philip Blundell wrote on Tue Jul 16, 2002 um 09:03:29PM: Ah, I just noticed that there is already a newt-based parted frontend (nparted), which will do for dialog mode. The standard parted should suffice for readline mode; I think it should be easy enough to put I tested nparted. Buggy like hell. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- www42:~ # mv /mnt/c/windows/win.com /dev/null mv: /dev/null: data refused -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 21:14, Eduard Bloch wrote: Philip Blundell wrote on Tue Jul 16, 2002 um 09:03:29PM: Ah, I just noticed that there is already a newt-based parted frontend (nparted), which will do for dialog mode. The standard parted should suffice for readline mode; I think it should be easy enough to put I tested nparted. Buggy like hell. There's nothing in the BTS apart from one resolved wishlist item. Wanna file some reports for the bugs you found? p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:14:36PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h Philip Blundell wrote on Tue Jul 16, 2002 um 09:03:29PM: Ah, I just noticed that there is already a newt-based parted frontend (nparted), which will do for dialog mode. The standard parted should suffice for readline mode; I think it should be easy enough to put I tested nparted. Buggy like hell. It was when I looked too, but that was some time ago. I started work on something I called cparted a while ago, which was a cfdisk-like front end to parted. It doesn't yet support all the flashy features of parted (partition moving, resizing), but it has the advantage that it is a familiar interface. Current status is that it can handle msdos and gpt table creation, and partition creation and deletion. Tested only on ia64. Not touched it since March, but I can certainly make the code available. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [d-i] debconf, partitioning widget?
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] immo vero scripsit: We can't guarantee anything, but we _will_ have a stable d-i in appropriate time. We _must_ have a stable d-i in time. The alternative is PGI (or both). Not b-f. The reality is: The current alternative is b-f only, and there are a few people working on at least maintaining the code. regards, junichi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Junichi Uekawa http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer GPG Fingerprint : 17D6 120E 4455 1832 9423 7447 3059 BF92 CD37 56F4 Libpkg-guide: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
