Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 03.01.2014 04:24, Michael Gilbert wrote: So, I suppose this isn't immediately obvious, but there is another solved problem here. Say the TC ultimately does not choose systemd as the default, and one day gnome entirely drops compatibility with the other inits. The gnome maintainers can

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes: Hi :) The TC init discussion has diverged significantly from Debian's usual ideals of freedom and meritocracy, so I decided to do something about it. So, today I wrote init-select. It's a small tool that empowers users to freely and simply

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-02): So, I suppose this isn't immediately obvious, but there is another solved problem here. Say the TC ultimately does not choose systemd as the default, and one day gnome entirely drops compatibility with the other inits. The gnome maintainers

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 03.01.2014 10:16, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes: So, today I wrote init-select. It's a small tool that empowers users to freely and simply choose among all of the available init systems. It also empowers Debian contributors to devote their energy

Re: archdetect guessing on arm* != armel

2014-01-03 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 04:00 +, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: Hey Ian, I wonder if I see some mid-air collision =) It looks like we are working along the same lines, so no harm done. I am not sure, so not to waste everyone elses time, maybe you can take a look at the current ubuntu

Bug#734056: installation-report: GNU/kFreeBSD on AMD64 'reportbug installation-report' is impossible

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Glaeser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: installation-reports Version: 2.49 Severity: normal Dear Maintainer, *** Please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** * What led up to the situation? * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or

Re: archdetect guessing on arm* != armel

2014-01-03 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 3 January 2014 10:03, Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 04:00 +, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I don't know what ads is/was but it is armel not armhf and I think for the most part we should just leave the subarch stuff as is on armel. (At least for now,

Re: archdetect guessing on arm* != armel

2014-01-03 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 11:24 +, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: On 3 January 2014 10:03, Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 04:00 +, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I don't know what ads is/was but it is armel not armhf and I think for the most part we should just

Re: archdetect guessing on arm* != armel

2014-01-03 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 10:03 +, Ian Campbell wrote: [...] When I went to create base-installer.git yesterday there was some sort of server error, I'm stuck in a loop on Your new repository is being created. I've mailed their support alias as they requested. And they've now fixed it. In

Re: archdetect guessing on arm* != armel

2014-01-03 Thread dann frazier
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:52:38PM +, Ian Campbell wrote: Hi, In 2010[0,1] support was added to archdetect for guessing the subarch on armel platforms by looking at the running kernel versions suffix, this was useful because some armel kernel flavours supported multiple boards and it

Re: archdetect guessing on arm* != armel

2014-01-03 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 08:04 -0700, dann frazier wrote: For armhf and arm64 I think we should be moving away from a model which requires us to whitelist supported subarchs in the installer towards one which takes advantage of the upstream progress to work on most platforms. I've been

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Hi, On 03.01.2014 10:16, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes: So, today I wrote init-select. It's a small tool that empowers users to freely and simply choose among all of the available init systems.

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-02): So, I suppose this isn't immediately obvious, but there is another solved problem here. Say the TC ultimately does not choose systemd as the default, and one day gnome entirely drops

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): It is often far more ideal when the TC chooses to not act. TC action means that the project is somehow dysfunctional. init-select is a very simple technical solution to a very large social problem. Having to pick an init system is *not* a

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Or how would you ensure that while the user can easily switch the init system, when doing so half of the daemons installed won't start because they don't support the alternative. And if he switches back, the other half does not start

using git with http → https redirections

2014-01-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi, here's what I've been getting on dillon for a few days, presumably due to an http→https redirection set up recently: | error: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none while accessing

Re: using git with http → https redirections

2014-01-03 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 05:04:17PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: here's what I've been getting on dillon for a few days, presumably due to an http→https redirection set up recently: | error: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none while

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): It is often far more ideal when the TC chooses to not act. TC action means that the project is somehow dysfunctional. init-select is a very simple technical solution to a

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): It is often far more ideal when the TC chooses to not act. TC action means that the project is somehow dysfunctional.

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): It is often far more ideal when the TC chooses

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Anyway, not going to play on words because there are so many efforts wasted with this topic already. Again, my position on the topic: No, this doesn't belong to the installer.

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Didier Raboud
Hi Michael, Le vendredi, 3 janvier 2014, 12.00:27 Michael Gilbert a écrit : On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Anyway, not going to play on words because there are so many efforts wasted with this topic already.

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have plymouth installed by default. While some want to have it and some don't, I think it really might be a good idea to

Bug#733706: marked as done (installation-report: installation on a Lenovo Thinkpad E431)

2014-01-03 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Fri, 03 Jan 2014 19:10:51 +0100 with message-id 52c6fd2b.4040...@googlemail.com and subject line Bug#733706 DONE: installation-report: installation on a Lenovo Thinkpad E431 has caused the Debian Bug report #733706, regarding installation-report: installation on a Lenovo

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): It is often far more ideal when the TC chooses to not act. TC action means that the project is somehow dysfunctional.

Re: using git with http → https redirections

2014-01-03 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 04:07:53PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 05:04:17PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: here's what I've been getting on dillon for a few days, presumably due to an http→https redirection set up recently: | error: server certificate verification

Re: init-select

2014-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (2014-01-03): It is often far more ideal when the TC chooses to not act. TC action

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03): Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have plymouth installed by default. While some

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi KiBi, On 03.01.2014 20:05, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Last I remember from squeeze (didn't check wheezy too much), plymouth was quite buggy/broken, and has been RC buggy for a long while (hello libdrm-nouveau); I'm not sure it's a good idea to install it by default, but I'm happy to take

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03): I know that plymouth had a problem with '--retain-splash' and gdm 3.4 but that has been fixed by introducing gdm 3.8. Ah, that might be what I saw a few months ago. Currently plymouth has only one bug and that is tagged

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 03.01.2014 20:50, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Yes, I checked the BTS before replying. I'm just not sure end users having troubles to boot are actually able to work around those issues and to report bugs. (I've at least seen people switch distro instead of figuring out what went wrong.) That's of

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have plymouth installed by default. Not all

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 03.01.2014 20:59, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:23:58PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Thanks for this hint, I hadn't thought about it. It would be good to know, if plymouth handles such situations gracefully. I CC'ed Daniel Baumann, the maintainer of plymouth, so that he can answer this question. I'd call it

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 03.01.2014 21:37, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I like the fact a debian base system by default is a working base system, with no useless junk for me to have to remove later. Perhaps if I slected 'graphical desktop' in the task selector, then it could be considered, but as part of the default base

Bug#734116: debian-installer: don't overwrite debian UEFI entry without asking

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Package: debian-installer Severity: serious Justification: causes data loss (in a way) Dear Maintainer, I recently installed Debian in a second partition (for testing purposes) on an UEFI system. The installer didn't ask, whether or not to install grub/an UEFI entry, instead it happily

Bug#734116: debian-installer: don't overwrite debian UEFI entry without asking

2014-01-03 Thread Steve McIntyre
Control: severity -1 normal On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 11:38:28PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Package: debian-installer Severity: serious Justification: causes data loss (in a way) Sorry, not convinced. I recently installed Debian in a second partition (for testing purposes) on an UEFI system.

Processed: Re: Bug#734116: debian-installer: don't overwrite debian UEFI entry without asking

2014-01-03 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing control commands: severity -1 normal Bug #734116 [debian-installer] debian-installer: don't overwrite debian UEFI entry without asking Severity set to 'normal' from 'serious' -- 734116: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734116 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 08:05:42PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com (2014-01-03): Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré

Bug#734116: debian-installer: don't overwrite debian UEFI entry without asking

2014-01-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Steve, On 04.01.2014 00:17, Steve McIntyre wrote: I think a better way to do this would be to add an extra grub menu entry for the other installation; the namespace for UEFI is not designed to work with multiple entries like this AFAICS. This would also solve the problem. It seems this

Re: Q: How to rebuild d-i or initrd?

2014-01-03 Thread Ozi Traveller
Unfortunately, I'm inexperienced in building packages, I'm still learning. I'm hoping there might be a step-by-step processs I could follow? I only have a couple of tasks to do to complete my distro, so far only a private distro, and a learning experience for me.

Bug#734093: debian-installer: install plymouth by default

2014-01-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 14:59 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré anar...@debian.org Dear Maintainer, in his installation report [1] Antoine

Bug#734130: db: Add support for Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHLv2

2014-01-03 Thread Darik Horn
Package: flash-kernel Version: 3.11 Severity: normal The Buffalo Linkstation Live with BitTorrent, model LS-CHLv2, is supported by Debian as of the Linux 3.6 backports package for Wheezy. The attached patch updates the flash-kernel database for the LS-CHLv2. -- System Information: Debian

Re: Q: How to rebuild d-i or initrd?

2014-01-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Ozi Traveller ozitravel...@gmail.com (2014-01-04): Ok I've managed to get the source and be able to build. Now I'm getting build errors, see attached log. 922 symbols, 644 unresolved Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/mklibs, line 562, in module raise Exception(No

Bug#734137: Installation was successfully on Acer Aspire One 532h

2014-01-03 Thread Bernhard
Package: installation-reports Boot method: USB Stick with self-made ISO image Image version: Self-made ISO image with actual installer from SID Date: 2013-01-03 Machine: Acer Aspire One 532h Processor: Intel Atom N450 @ 1,6GHz Memory: 1GB Partitions: DateisystemTyp 1K-blocks Benutzt