*BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Robert Millan
[ moved the discussion to debian-bsd ] On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:17:14PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: [1] as of now GNU/Hurd and GNU/*BSD only exist in Debian, but we can't assume that for a configuration file. And the NetBSD one is *not* GNU-based, then it doesn't make sense to call

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:05:12PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: [ moved the discussion to debian-bsd ] On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:17:14PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: [1] as of now GNU/Hurd and GNU/*BSD only exist in Debian, but we can't assume that for a configuration file.

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Robert Millan
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 08:01:47AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:05:12PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:17:14PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: And the NetBSD one is *not* GNU-based, then it doesn't make sense to call it GNU/NetBSD, would you

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 04:52:39PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 08:01:47AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:05:12PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:17:14PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: And the NetBSD one is *not*

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature

2003-06-13 Thread ${john}$
Robert Millan wrote: RMS would never request placing GNU/ in the name of a system that is *not* GNU-based. Let's not get dogmatic about this. TTBOMK, there is no canonical definition of GNU-based. The NetBSD port, for example, has many GNU components. GNU-enough-for-ya? Well of course there

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Joel Baker dijo [Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:08:42AM -0600]: (...) That's the situation with the NetBSD port as it stands. I'm happy to discuss whether it should be Debian GNU/NetBSD/i386 or simply Debian NetBSD/i386, but if we're going to dredge this up again, I'm going to have to insist on

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature

2003-06-13 Thread Robert Millan
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 06:03:06PM +0100, ${john}$ wrote: Robert Millan wrote: RMS would never request placing GNU/ in the name of a system that is *not* GNU-based. Let's not get dogmatic about this. TTBOMK, there is no canonical definition of GNU-based. Of course not. There's a

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 07:14:48PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 04:52:39PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: You just said it is *not* GNU-based. Do you know what GNU/Something means? *sigh* It was

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature

2003-06-13 Thread ${john}$
Robert Millan wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 06:03:06PM +0100, ${john}$ wrote: Just in case anybody cares that perhaps a name should describe and distinguish, rather than keep RMS happy (god help a world where that was the #1 priority). what worries me here is that GNU/ is added without fully

Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches

2003-06-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:44:12AM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 09:27:31AM +0900, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, if someone is going to fix gnu.cf, please consider splitting it into a

Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches

2003-06-13 Thread Ognyan Kulev
Robert Millan wrote: ISHIKAWA, what about splitting all common stuff into Debian.cf, and Glibc-specific stuff into Glibc.cf? Isn't it right that any glibc-based system is GNU system? Glibc requires GCC[1], which in turn requires (in most cases[2]) GNU binutils. [1]

Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches

2003-06-13 Thread Robert Millan
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 04:33:35PM +0300, Ognyan Kulev wrote: Robert Millan wrote: ISHIKAWA, what about splitting all common stuff into Debian.cf, and Glibc-specific stuff into Glibc.cf? Isn't it right that any glibc-based system is GNU system? no. the GNU system is not a set of C