Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-29 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Richard Laager] > For example, if you want to use the low 32-bits of /etc/machine-id, > that would work too. It'd mean carrying a patch on Debian, but if the > pain of a patch and different behavior is less than the benefits of > the change, go for it. I guess we would have to verify that

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-29 Thread Richard Laager
On 09/29/2016 05:19 AM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 09:03:38PM -0700, Richard Laager wrote: >> Getting back to ZFS and /etc/hostid... I would think that a >> randomly-generated /etc/hostid is probably sufficient. Whether that's >> done in the libc, spl, or zfs package makes no

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 09:03:38PM -0700, Richard Laager wrote: Getting back to ZFS and /etc/hostid... I would think that a randomly-generated /etc/hostid is probably sufficient. Whether that's done in the libc, spl, or zfs package makes no difference to me. You still haven't explained why zfs

Re: Bug#595790: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-29 Thread Florian Weimer
* Richard Laager: > Getting back to ZFS and /etc/hostid... I would think that a > randomly-generated /etc/hostid is probably sufficient. Whether that's > done in the libc, spl, or zfs package makes no difference to me. As I tried to explain, the risks of collisions without central coordination

Re: Bug#595790: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Aurelien Jarno] > In any case it looks to me we should not reinvent the wheel. We > already ended-up with two implementations of a unique machine ID, one > in dbus and one for systemd (which fortunately now try to just copy > the other one if it already exists), I am not sure we want a third >

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Richard Laager
On 09/28/2016 04:41 AM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > I did not quite understand what you mean here. Do you mean the DMI > value in your experience isn't unique? Absolutely, yes. I found this out because, for some reason that I don't know, libvirtd wants a unique identifier. It defaults to

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Stone: > Other platforms have deprecated gethostid, that's the best way forward > for linux, IMO. I agree. It's the most likely outcome if this issue was reported to glibc upstream.

Re: Bug#595790: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On 2016-09-28 09:33, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > Control: reassign -1 libc6 > Control: found -1 2.19-18 > Control: The value from gethostid() should be more unique and not change when > the host IP changes > > Reassigning to glibc as that is the source of gethostid() where the > problem with

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:11:21PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Michael Stone] Other platforms have deprecated gethostid, that's the best way forward for linux, IMO. Which platforms is this? I find FreeBSD recommend to use sysctl and KERN_HOSTID to get the hostid integer directly from

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Petter Reinholdtsen: > [Florian Weimer] >> That's not very different from /etc/machine-id, isn't it? > > Ah, thank you very much for bringing this systemd setting to my > attention. I was not aware of it. > > I agree that it seem very similar in purpose and implementation. Will > it be

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:32:04PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Petter Reinholdtsen: Something like this should work, I guess: if [ ! -f /etc/hostid ]; then if [ -e /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid ]; then sethostidfromuuid $(cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) else dd

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2016-09-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Petter Reinholdtsen: > Something like this should work, I guess: > > if [ ! -f /etc/hostid ]; then >if [ -e /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid ]; then >sethostidfromuuid $(cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) >else > dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=4 of=/etc/hostid 2>/dev/null >

Re: [Pkg-zfsonlinux-devel] Bug#595790: hostid: useless unless fixed

2013-02-20 Thread Darik Horn
I'd suggest an application-specific UUID incorporating the hostname. I expect that ZoL will remove or disable the hostid check when Illumos implements the Multi Reader Protection feature, or something like it for HA configurations. The behavior in question is a nonessential holdover from