I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
NetBSD. Licensing. Appears to be old (non-revised) BSD license... certainly the INSTALL.txt file for 1.6 has lines at the beginning of the ungodly long section for the NetBSD project (in two forms, no less!) Pardon me while I sink into despair of ever untangling the mess, even if we can use it

re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread matthew green
NetBSD. Licensing. Appears to be old (non-revised) BSD license... certainly the INSTALL.txt file for 1.6 has lines at the beginning of the ungodly long section for the NetBSD project (in two forms, no less!) Pardon me while I sink into despair of ever untangling the

Re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Oct 15, matthew green wrote: NetBSD. Licensing. Appears to be old (non-revised) BSD license... certainly the INSTALL.txt file for 1.6 has lines at the beginning of the ungodly long section for the NetBSD project (in two forms, no less!) Pardon me while I sink into

Re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:20:06AM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: On Oct 15, matthew green wrote: NetBSD. Licensing. Appears to be old (non-revised) BSD license... certainly the INSTALL.txt file for 1.6 has lines at the beginning of the ungodly long section for the NetBSD

Re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Oct 14, Joel Baker wrote: Er. Given that 'libc' is under the 4-clause license, if this is true... or does that not apply to 'system' libraries? NetBSD certainly has a fair bit of GPLed code, including dist/gnu in the source tree. Hmm. This could get ugly quickly; my gut feeling is that

re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread matthew green
as far as i'm aware, there are very conflicting views on mixing GPL 4-clause software. to me, calling them incompatible such that you refuse to link apps libraries because of it is way over stepping the mark, espcially if you are linking GPL apps against a BSD system -- are you going to

Re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:45:56AM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: On Oct 14, Joel Baker wrote: Er. Given that 'libc' is under the 4-clause license, if this is true... or does that not apply to 'system' libraries? NetBSD certainly has a fair bit of GPLed code, including dist/gnu in the source

re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread matthew green
It's the INSTALL.txt file, not a copyright file. I have not (yet) been able to find a copyright or license file that directly applies to the sources in CVS, either on the website or in CVS itself. Anyone who knows where the heck the thing is hiding, do tell. :) look in

Re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:47:01PM +1000, matthew green wrote: as far as i'm aware, there are very conflicting views on mixing GPL 4-clause software. to me, calling them incompatible such that you refuse to link apps libraries because of it is way over stepping the mark, espcially if you

Re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Nathan Hawkins
Joel Baker wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:45:56AM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: On Oct 14, Joel Baker wrote: Er. Given that 'libc' is under the 4-clause license, if this is true... or does that not apply to 'system' libraries? NetBSD certainly has a fair bit of GPLed code, including dist/gnu in

Re: I've got a bad feeling about this...

2002-10-15 Thread Nathan Hawkins
Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:47:01PM +1000, matthew green wrote: as far as i'm aware, there are very conflicting views on mixing GPL 4-clause software. to me, calling them incompatible such that you refuse to link apps libraries because of it is way over stepping the mark,

Re: status quo and userlands

2002-10-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Joel Baker | I can provide a tarball of my working chroot as it stands, if you want it; | apt works, dpkg works, X works, and a number of userland things are quite | operable. Still working on what will be needed for a proper base.tgz so we | can debootstrap things (and thus use pbuilder).

DRAFT: Email to RMS

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
Recently I came across a possible licensing conflict on one of the Debian projects I'm participating in (the Debian/NetBSD port), and after some discussion of it on the debian-legal mailing list, there wasn't much of a concensus other than RMS clarifying it would help. A quick summary: 1) The

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL.

2002-10-15 Thread Alfred Savimbi
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STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL.

2002-10-15 Thread Alfred Savimbi
Dear Sir, My proposal to you will be very surprising, as we have not had any personal contact. However, I sincerely seek yourconfidence in this transaction, which I propose to you as a person of transparency and caliber. Let me first start by introducing myself properly to you. My name is

GPL clarification request (Debian GNU/NetBSD port)

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
[ Please note: this message is sent as an interested party who is working ] [ on the Debian GNU/NetBSD project; I am in no way speaking on behalf of ] [ Debian in any official capacity.] Recently I came across a possible licensing conflict on one of the

Re: DRAFT: Email to RMS (take 2)

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 04:15:45PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Joel Baker wrote: a GPL compatible license); this question is solely about linking against the libraries which are build from the non-third-party source found in the NetBSD souce tree. Do you

Re: DRAFT: Email to RMS (take 2)

2002-10-15 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Joel Baker wrote: Do you have any specific examples of this? Please see the archives of debian-legal, both on the current thread for this and past threads regarding linking GPL binaries and non-GPL-compatible licenses (and what constitutes the latter). I read that one

What is confusing? (was Re: DRAFT: Email to RMS (take 2))

2002-10-15 Thread moth
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 05:19:50PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: This is quite confusing, since FSF code itself is provided for using with non-GPL'd libraries. Please read the GPL. Especially the paragraph following paragraph c of section 3. In essence: you're allowed to distribute GPLed code