Re: Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:24:31AM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:29:48PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: My impression is that this will not satisfy The NetBSD Foundation, though they could always suprise me. In part, their objection appears to be using the bareword

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Momchil Velikov
Joel == Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joel On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 10:33:30AM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: How can the use of ``NetBSD'' dilute the trademark, when it refers to a piece of the same software ? Joel Basically, saying Debian GNU/NetBSD could be read as implying Joel We're

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:44:07PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:58:42PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: I really need to sit down and write a proposal / patches for NetBSD to support the 'vendor' sysctl tree, that can be checked usefully. Since that would be the

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Mike Dresser
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: Catholics compared to their Protestant brethren. I should think if anyone were taught demonology these days, it would be kids in Catholic I knew all about demons around that age, and I'm not even a religious person. Doom taught me everything I

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 11:00:56PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 11:11:20AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: Unfortunately, my experience with the topic tends to indicate that the same folks who care are very likely to consider there mere

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:10:24AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:15:04AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: Actually, given that I'm a long-time and deep-seated Tolkien geek, I rather like the notion of using the Valar - they're

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:03:00PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [I am not subscribed to debian -bsd.] What would be unacceptable about it, and why is it only a borderline case? What would push it over the borderline? Demons are evil, Demons

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 01:41:50AM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote: I consider myself educated, and I've never heard of any demons in school where we had 13 years of religious (catholic) education. I can definitely say that I'm not offended, and I doubt that

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:54:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:00:21PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: Even so, I'm amenable to anyone who can come up with names which are less loaded to random fundamentalists, if possible; of

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 11:37:44PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:53:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I doubt you'd have known they were names from Christian demonology if I hadn't told you. I didn't propse that we use better

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:01:49AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote: Branden's second proposal of using something from Pratchett did have a nice ring to it, [...] That wasn't my proposal; it was made by Roland Mas in Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- G.

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] [We're back off-topic for -legal.] On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 07:33:17PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have little patience for superstitious beliefs, and less still for people who claim to be defending the

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:24:34PM -0600, Paul Baker wrote: On Dec 13, 2003, at 3:27 PM, Branden Robinson wrote: Thus: Debian FreeBSD - Debian Forneus (BSD) Debian NetBSD - Debian Naberius (BSD) Debian OpenBSD - Debian Orobos

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:15:04AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: Actually, given that I'm a long-time and deep-seated Tolkien geek, I rather like the notion of using the Valar - they're fictional, and Tolkien's work isn't yet out from under copyright, but they

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 02:08:44AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 11:54:09AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: No, it's probably antipathy for the Free Software Foundation driving this more than anything else. Maybe they'd prefer Debian

[OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:42:28PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Well, just for the record, i personnally would prefer we don't use demon name for keyword if possible. Forgive me for the gratuitous Harry Potter reference, but fear of a name increases fear for the thing itself. ;-p IOW, lighten up,

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Nathan Hawkins
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:09:37AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:54:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:00:21PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: Even so, I'm amenable to anyone who can come up with names which

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Nathan Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you wanted Greek names, there are plenty of obscure nymphs, satyrs, centaurs, etc. to choose from. Since the Greeks classified them as neither evil spirits nor deities, many of them would qualify as daemons in the classical sense. We could also go

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:26:10AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:42:28PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Well, just for the record, i personnally would prefer we don't use demon name for keyword if possible. Forgive me for the gratuitous Harry Potter reference, but fear

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Joel Baker wrote: Besides, using Tolkien names is a long geek tradition. And that's what's wrong with it. The association of geeks and Tolkien is such a cliche[1] Same goes for Pratchett (not to mention he is rather overrated in my opinion.) No if you're going to go