Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread David Weinehall
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:54:14PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 03:13:03PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: If we're really worried about this, we can always use the names of the Dwarves in the Hobbit. Most (all?) of those names are from Icelandic sags, IIRC. So is

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Momchil Velikov
Branden == Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Branden Remember, outside the Free Software community, copyright is Branden used only as a destructive weapon, not a tool for promoting Branden cooperation and harmony. It looks like not only outside Free Software community, considering

GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 05:03:55AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Kevin Kreamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the case of a NetBSD libc, you could use Debian NBSD/NBSD basically having the first half signify which libc is used. Wouldn't that be a major

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:37:56PM -0600, Kevin Kreamer wrote: [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Dec 17, 2003, at 10:20, Branden Robinson wrote: Given that we're going to be saddled with with a comprehension problem anyway, I say we abandon the effort to be descriptive in the product

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software are common on other unixes. Why? If you are right that others unixes uses widely GNU

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:26:10AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:42:28PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Well, just for the record, i personnally would prefer we don't use demon name for keyword if possible. Forgive me for the gratuitous Harry Potter reference, but fear

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Momchil Velikov
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven That would be a funny naming scheme. That said, how would we then Sven differentiate the three BSD ports ? GNU/First one that shall not be Sven named and so one ? Indeed ! GNU/First one that shall not be named GNU/Next one that shall not be

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Momchil Velikov
Mathieu == Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mathieu If we follow your theory, it means that if someday another Mathieu system use the glibc, we should remove the GNU from the Mathieu GNU/Linux name. FWIW, BeOS uses glibc. ~velco

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Julian Mehnle dijo [Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not that there was a serious chance of that happening - drop-in replacement

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:15:37PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: Why not? You said what I expected from you: you revealed that you disbelieve that the system should be called GNU/Linux. Good to know in this kind of discussion. raised brows I'm not a True Believer, if that's what you mean.

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:06:56PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 02:26:27PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: Mathieu == Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mathieu If we follow your theory, it means that if someday another Mathieu system use the glibc, we should remove the GNU from the Mathieu GNU/Linux name. rereads Arrgh... My

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:13:29AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Cf. Jesux. ...which has gone for some years without attracting anyone who is both pious enough and clueful enough to develop it. I find this inverse correlation suggestive. :) Or, it could be that Jesux wasn't really

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:33:48PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:24:04AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: | Demons are evil, | | Demons don't exist. Consequently, their moral value is undefinable. I claim that their moral

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
[ Re-adding Cc to debian-bsd, since it's a serious naming proposal ] On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 03:12:05PM -0500, Jim Penny wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:42:23 -0500 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I think daemons first showed up in the _Fiend Folio_, which means we have

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Danilo Piazzalunga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] Alle 21:13, mercoledì 17 dicembre 2003, Nathan Hawkins ha scritto: If you wanted Greek names, there are plenty of obscure nymphs, satyrs, centaurs, etc. to choose from. Here's the name index from Ovid's

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Erik Steffl
Mathieu Roy wrote: Erik Steffl [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mathieu Roy wrote: ... When I'm told that a system is running GNU/whatever, I expect first to find there GNU coreutils, GNU bash, GNU Emacs, GNU Compiler Collection, gzip, GNU awk,GNU make, the GNU Debugger, GNU sysutils, GNU tar, GNUpg, GNU

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:59:10PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd, please Cc: me if you feel your reply deserves my attention.] On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 15:51, Joel Baker wrote: GNU represents the Gnu system, running with a native (Hurd) kernel

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Miles Bader
Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The impression (and, frankly, not an entirely clear one) I have gotton from RMS's various comments on the naming, especially in regards to NetBSD, boil down to the following (modulo probably screwing up the capitalization, which I can never remember the

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Scott James Remnant
[I am not subscribed to debian-bsd, please Cc: me if you feel your reply deserves my attention.] On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 01:55, Joel Baker wrote: *NetBSD* is asking for it to be 'KNetBSD' rather than just 'NetBSD', because the latter, in their view (and theirs is the view one should respect,