Hi Diederik,
May I ask if you are analyzing dts manually, or whether you are aware
of an automatic tool?
sincerely
Josua Mayer
Am 12.03.24 um 18:04 schrieb Diederik de Haas:
> Hi Josua,
>
> On Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:28:06 CET Josua Mayer wrote:
>> I believe I f
Hi Diederik,
I believe I found the answer:
EDAC_MPC85XX is for power-pc only,
EDAC_LAYERSCAPE is for arm (see drivers/edac/layerscape_edac.c).
br
Josua
Am 12.03.24 um 16:13 schrieb Josua Mayer:
> Hi Diederik,
>
> Thank you for taking care of this!
> First the additional changes yo
,
so I could test (on vendor kernel based on 5.10 only) whether any problems show
up.
If not, perhaps a patch to the kernel is advisable.
Am 07.03.24 um 13:34 schrieb Diederik de Haas:
> Hi Josua,
>
> On Thursday, 18 January 2024 17:40:38 CET Josua Mayer wrote:
>> LX2160 So
Workstation. Since mainline added references
to SerDes via "phys" properties in v5.18, Debian can not probe
the netdev's, breaking all 10Gbps NICs.
Ideally this will be enabled for current stable release, too.
Sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 6.1.
Package: src:linux
Version: 6.1.69-1
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-Cc: jo...@solid-run.com
Dear Maintainer,
Please enable "PCIE_LAYERSCAPE_GEN4" for arm64 flavour,
in addition to already enabled "PCIE_LAYERSCAPE".
LX2160 SoC early silicon revisions have a pci-e generation 4 controller.
It requires
hernet PHY with
ADIN1300. This combination is fully supported in Linux 6.1.
Therefore please enable the kernel module for armhf target.
Sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 6.1.0-10-armmp (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc-12 (Debian
12.2.0-14) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GN
first_run_jingle.ogg
Hopefully I'll find some time to investiaget - find a point where it still
worked, and bisect.
Sincerely
Josua Mayer
This worked previously, but I can put my finger on when exactly. CVhanges since
then:
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 5.10.0-8-armmp (debian-ker
it as a module would do.
Yours sincerely
Josua mayer
Package: src:linux
Version: 5.10.28-1
Severity: wishlist
Tags: patch
X-Debbugs-Cc: josua.maye...@gmail.com
Dear Maintainer,
Please enable support for the mipi-csi capture devices on i.MX6 SoCs,
as used e.g. by the SolidRun i.MX6 HummingBoard (config patch attached).
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
with both BCM4330 and WL1837.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 5.10.0-6-armmp (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org)
(arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-10 (Debian 10.2.1-6) 10.2.1 20210110, GNU ld (GNU
Binutils for Debian) 2.35.2) #1 SMP Debian 5.10.28-1 (2021-04-09
or
later.
There is already a patch [1] in the master branch of xorg addressing this issue,
please consider backporting it to Debian for a chance of inclusion in Bullseye.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
[1]
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commit/26004df63c25061586a967f3586795a75280acc2
/armhf/config
@@ -343,6 +343,7 @@ CONFIG_GPIO_DA9052=m
CONFIG_GPIO_PALMAS=y
CONFIG_GPIO_TWL4030=y
CONFIG_GPIO_TWL6040=y
+CONFIG_GPIO_MXC=y
##
## file: drivers/gpu/drm/Kconfig
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
of the .config files between the 2 versions, the likely
cause is removal of the GPIO driver for i.MX SoCs via CONFIG_GPIO_MXC.
I will b reporting if re-enabling of that setting fixes the problem.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
** Model information
Hardware: Freescale i.MX6 Quad/DualLite
josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 10.3
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: arm64 (aarch64)
Kernel: Linux 5.5.0-trunk-arm64 (SMP w/16 CPU cores)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE
Thanks! \o/
Am 17.04.20 um 05:03 schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System:
> This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report
> which was filed against the src:linux package:
>
> #948576: linux: please enable support for the layerscape SoCs and the
> Honeycomb workstation board
>
> It has
-backports
now.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
, namely the
standalone ethernet port, USB, microSD and eMMC.
Please consider enabling these config options - The device-tree for the
Honeycomb Workstation has been merged with 5.6-rc1 and it would be great
to have Debian work as pieces start landing upstream.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
>F
://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/11253015/
Once that lands, CONFIG_PCIE_LAYERSCAPE_GEN4=m should also be enabled.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 10.2
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: arm64 (aarch64
-backports ;)
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-armmp (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version
8.3.0 (Debian 8.3.0-2)) #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1sr1 (2020-01-06)
** Command line:
console=ttyS0,115200 log_level=7 net.ifnames=0
will make it
a little easier to install custom providers of OpenGL cleanly.
If there were virtual packages for gles2 and egl, I would suggest switching
those too, but so far there isn't ... :(
br
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: bullseye/sid
APT prefers testing
APT policy
/DualLite (1.5som+emmc)
Kernel-Flavors: armmp
DTB-Id: imx6dl-cubox-i-emmc-som-v15.dtb
Boot-Script-Path: /boot/boot.scr
U-Boot-Script-Name: bootscr.imx-base bootscr.uboot-generic
Required-Packages: u-boot-tools
Please add these to the flash-kernel db.
sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian
Hi,
That is an unexpected shout!
How is arm64 different wrt gcc than the exhaustive list of architectures
that both of these options have been enabled for already?
Am 23.08.19 um 17:49 schrieb Thorsten Glaser:
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019, Josua Mayer wrote:
>
>> Please enable LTO and P
the list of architectures for both
pgo and lto.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 10.0
APT prefers stable
APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: arm64 (aarch64)
Kernel: Linux 5.1.0-trunk-arm64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Josua Mayer
* Package name: stratis-cli
Version : 1.0.4
Upstream Author : RedHat, Inc.
* URL : https://stratis-storage.github.io/
* License : Apache 2.0
Programming Lang: Python 3
Description : cli interface
) unstable; urgency=medium
...
[ Riku Voipio ]
* [arm64] disable CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_OMAP until the IRQ storm bug is fixed
What is this IRQ storm bug? Has it been fixed? Can we re-enable this driver?
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 10.0
APT prefers testing
APT
-rock64.dtb
Boot-Script-Path: /boot/boot.scr
U-Boot-Script-Name: bootscr.uboot-generic
Required-Packages: u-boot-tools
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
p/rk3399-rock960.dtb"
configs/sheep-rk3368_defconfig:CONFIG_DEFAULT_FDT_FILE="rockchip/rk3368-sheep.dtb"
I didn't look any further - but it seems to me we need a way to have
those sub-directories.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
to enable support for it in the kernel config and report back if I
can get it to work.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 4.19.0-1-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version
8.2.0 (Debian 8.2.0-13)) #1 SMP Debian 4.19.12-1 (2018-12-22
I forgot to mention some important bits:
1. this is for armmp flavour only
2. the options I chose enable some more by default that I did not list
3. maybe all HCIUART drivers should be enabled, just like on x86?
the necessary options and tested with a local build of 4.20 from
the debian kernel source tree, and am attaching the diff.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Kernel log: boot messages should be attached
** Model information
Hardware: Freescale i.MX6 Quad/DualLite
Hi there again,
I might have noticed what is going wrong on my side :( I did some evil
dependency mangling about libegl1.
So please close this report!
best regards
Josua Mayer
Please find attached the log of installing the build environment, and
the log file from the failed fmtutil run.
fmtutil: fmtutil is using the following fmtutil.cnf files (in precedence order):
fmtutil: /usr/share/texmf/web2c/fmtutil.cnf
fmtutil: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c/fmtutil.cnf
-binaries package should have a dependency on libegl1.
I will attach the full logs to a reply.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.6
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: armhf (armv7l)
Kernel: Linux 4.9.124
with linux-image-armmp 4.19.2 built from pkg-linux.
Please find below the required snippet for the flash-kernel database.
kind regards
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: buster/sid
APT prefers testing
APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: armhf (armv7l)
Kernel: Linux
Please find the boot logs attached
U-Boot 2018.01-02296-g457cdd60c3 (May 17 2018 - 22:59:22 +0200), Build: jenkins-u-boot-imx6-variant=sdhc-2
CPU: Freescale i.MX6D rev1.5 996 MHz (running at 792 MHz)
CPU: Extended Commercial temperature grade (-20C to 105C) at 48C
Reset cause: WDOG
Board:
stype=auto, and the actual type is known through a previous call to
blkid, e.g. while running fsck, use the known type
- fix the mount command to deal with type auto
I am submitting the full boot logs by email as follow-up.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
-- initramfs sizes
-rw-r--
Hi,
Am 24.08.2018 um 14:55 schrieb Héctor Orón Martínez:
> Hello,
>
> Missatge de Josua Mayer del dia dg., 19
> d’ag. 2018 a les 22:00:
>> There is a vendor u-boot available based on 2017.09. It fully supports
>> distro boot and
>> loading EFI applications.
While the db entry I provided works just fine, maybe because this is
u-boot, using a generic boot.scr would be preferred.
Any opinions?
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: buster/sid
APT prefers testing
APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: arm64 (aarch64)
Kernel: Linux 4.17.0-1-arm64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8),
LANGUAGE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8
Please find the current rules file and script attached.
#
# This udev rule connects the USB ID pin with the charging current setting
# of the twl4030 through a helper script.
#
# This allows to use default charging current 500 mA and switch to higher
# values if a more capable power supply
it can be done from a preseed file).
Can this go into the debian udev package?
Is there a better place for such rules?
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.5
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable
threshold : 0.0490 mW / -13.10 dBm
>From 2ac29b08004b43ed280c3935dd775d7488dc0bbe Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Josua Mayer
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 18:42:45 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] armmp: enable SFP support
Signed-off-by: Josua Mayer
---
debian/config/armhf/config | 2 ++
1 file changed,
:
- solidrun clearfog (armhf)
- marvell macchiatobin (arm64)
The config option is declared in drivers/net/phy/Kconfig.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 4.18.0-rc5-armmp (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version
7.3.0 (Debian 7.3.0-26)) #1 SMP Debian 4.18
I have found no earlier version where this worked with the debian kernel.
All of the following exhibit the problem with similar errors:
- linux-image-4.9.0-7-armmp_4.9.110-3+deb9u1_armhf.deb
- linux-image-4.16.0-2-armmp_4.16.16-2_armhf.deb
-
Josua Mayer
-- Package-specific info:
** Version:
Linux version 4.17.0-1-armmp (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version
7.3.0 (Debian 7.3.0-26)) #1 SMP Debian 4.17.8-1 (2018-07-20)
** Command line:
console=ttyS0,115200 log_level=7
** Not tainted
** Kernel log:
[4.416771] xhci-hcd
Hi Phil,
Am 13.08.2018 um 16:08 schrieb Philip Hands:
> Ben Hutchings writes:
>
>> On Sun, 2018-08-12 at 13:11 +, Josua Mayer wrote:
>>> Package: debian-installer
>>> Severity: normal
>>>
>>> Dear Maintainer,
>>>
>>> I ha
# Localization
d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US
# Networking
d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth0
d-i netcfg/get_hostname string imx6
d-i netcfg/get_domain string unassigned-domain
# Debian Mirror
d-i mirror/country string manual
d-i mirror/http/hostname string deb.debian.org
d-i
m I just doing it wrong? I have tried examining the output of
debconf-get-selections --installer
but I couldn't find something helpful there.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.5
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
A
00:00:00 2001
From: Josua Mayer
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:04:40 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Add missing entries for HummingBoard variants
As of linux 4.16 the DeviceTrees for HummingBoard 2 have landed.
Also add the microsom revision 1.5 for the first HummingBoard.
Signed-off-by: Josua Mayer
---
Sorry for the quick addition: a secodn uncertainty lies in the name of
the boot script.
We currently search for a bootargs.scr which was supposed to let distros
set a few boot options, and then return control back to the menu.
So maybe the name should be boot.scr instead. I will update once this
find attached a logfile for demonstration purposes showing that
the current 4.16 kernel actually works as intended.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
U-Boot SPL 2016.11-00249-gc9d20fc (Dec 18 2017 - 17:41:57)
Trying to boot from MMC1
pop_mfr = 00 pop_id = 00
reading u-boot.img
spl: payload image: U-Boot
Package: flash-kernel
Version: 3.91
Severity: important
Tags: patch
Dear Maintainer,
There is a typo in the clearfog pro DTB name: pre -> pro.
Easy enough to fix, so please find the patch below:
>From 1d19172e0326a2e2ee2a5d236bad13a99a8f88e1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Josua Mayer
Dat
er images, say of the next debian release.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
*** End of the template - remove these template lines ***
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.4
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: armhf (armv7l)
Kernel: Lin
Greetings once again,
I have now rebuilt the current kernel package from sid, with the
necessary config changes.
So far it boots, and network works. I haven't tested anything else yet.
Please find attached the patch for enabling the missing options.
br
Josua Mayer
>F
if they want to use sdcard or nand?
Such that when installed to sdcard, flash-kernel will never touch nand
flash, and vice versa?
Again, another wishlist item.
br
Josua Mayer
Hi everybody,
Pinging this issue in case it fell off the table.
If anything is preventing this from going forward that I can influence,
please let me know!
br
Josua Mayer
Hi Vagrant,
thanks for your reply!
I have now come up with a revised script taking your comments into
consideration.
Am 25.09.2017 um 21:22 schrieb Vagrant Cascadian:
> On 2017-09-25, Josua Mayer wrote:
>> The SolidRun CuBox has very good support in Mainline Linux.
>> Thu
I am hereby providing the complete U-Boot environment:
CuBox>> printenv
baudrate=115200
loads_echo=0
rootpath=/mnt/ARM_FS/
netmask=255.255.255.0
console=console=ttyS0,115200 useNandHal=single
mtdids=nand0=dove-nand
mtdparts=mtdparts=dove-nand:4m(boot),-(rootfs)
arcNumber=3905
CASset=min
CONFIG_SND_KIRKWOOD_SOC=m
CONFIG_DOVE_THERMAL=m
# This one is not needed, it is present on the SoC, but not exposed by the Cubox
CONFIG_DRM_ARMADA=m
I have built mainline 4.9.45 from the armmp .config, and above options to
verify that it actually does work!
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
, as long as the necessary config options are not enabled in -armmp?
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.1
APT prefers stable-updates
APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: armhf (armv7l)
Kernel: Linux 4.9.45-dove-cubox (SMP w/1 CPU
on this
very issue).
The second group will benefit from faster updates of kernels (with such
compression enabled).
Maintainers, please reconsider enabling this feature.
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
there a way
to allow moving SD-Cards between device variants? That would be a
*really* useful feature!
Either way, what can we do about this?
br
Josua Mayer
scr
DTB-Id: armada-388-clearfog.dtb
U-Boot-Script-Name: bootscr.uboot-generic
Required-Packages: u-boot-tools
br
Josua Mayer
included
with linux-image-4.9.0-3-armmp:
/usr/lib/linux-image-4.9.0-3-armmp/omap3-gta04a3.dtb
/usr/lib/linux-image-4.9.0-3-armmp/omap3-gta04a4.dtb
/usr/lib/linux-image-4.9.0-3-armmp/omap3-gta04a5.dtb
If you need any further details, let me know!
Yours sincerely
Josua Mayer
-- System Information
Hi Vagrant, thanks for the reply.
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 12:56:35 -0400 Vagrant Cascadian
wrote:
> On a related note, nobody has requested the clearfog target be enabled
> in the u-boot packages in Debian:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/U-boot/
>
> If someone can offer to regularly
Hi there,
Can anyone state the status here? If there is somethign missing, I'd be
perfectly willing to conduct some tests on my board if necessary.
br
Josua Mayer
This is about linux-image-4.9.0-1-armmp in stretch, armhf.
driver that is
used for backlight.
br
Josua Mayer
Am 15.02.2017 um 00:40 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:17:03AM +0100, Josua Mayer wrote:
>> Package: debian-cd
>> Version: 3.1.19
>> Severity: important
>>
>> Dear Maintainer,
>>
>> I am attempting to reproduce creating installer
Am 15.02.2017 um 00:40 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:17:03AM +0100, Josua Mayer wrote:
>> Package: debian-cd
>> Version: 3.1.19
>> Severity: important
>>
>> Dear Maintainer,
>>
>> I am attempting to reproduce creating installer
Thanks a lot, that does the trick!
Am 15.02.2017 um 00:30 schrieb James Clarke:
> Control: tags -1 patch
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:17:03AM +0100, Josua Mayer wrote:
>> I am attempting to reproduce creating installer isos using debian-cd.
>> Following the README I
Package: debian-cd
Version: 3.1.19
Severity: important
Dear Maintainer,
I am attempting to reproduce creating installer isos using debian-cd.
Following the README I set up a mirror using debmirror, and then ran the
mentioned mkae steps up to make images, where I encountered an error message
Am 08.02.2017 um 22:40 schrieb Ben Hutchings:
> On Wed, 2017-02-08 at 11:28 -0500, Josua Mayer wrote:
>> Package: wnpp
>> Severity: wishlist
>> Owner: Josua Mayer <josua.maye...@gmail.com>
>>
>> * Package name: libnfc-nci
>> Version :
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Josua Mayer <josua.maye...@gmail.com>
* Package name: libnfc-nci
Version : 2.1
Upstream Author : NXP Semiconductors
* URL : https://github.com/NXPNFCLinux/linux_libnfc-nci
* License : Apache-2.0
Programming L
Package: linux-image-4.9.0-rc8-armmp-unsigned: src:linux Version: 4.9~rc8-1~exp1
Message-ID: <148146021121.356.16709761149479929183.reportbug@localhost>
X-Mailer: reportbug 6.6.6
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 12:43:31 +
X-Debbugs-Cc: josua.maye...@gmail.com
Severity: normal
Dear Maintainer,
While
With the current kernel in testing, namely 4.9.0-rc8-armmp, the
omap-aes module is loading just fine. So when 4.9 hits testing, this
bug should be done.
Forgot attaching the log to the report, so here goes nothing
omap-aes.log
Description: Binary data
Package: src:linux
Version: 4.8.11-1
Severity: important
Dear Maintainer,
I booted latest debian unstable on my gta04 board and noticed that the
system crashes as soon as omap-aes is loaded (which happens automatically
unless blacklisted).
The same crash also happens on 4.8.0-1, but I do not
Package: src:linux
Version: 4.8.7-1
Severity: normal
Tags: upstream
Dear Maintainer,
I started running the standard debian armmp kernel on the GTA04 and noticed
that some driver are missing.
For starters this bug is about wireless lan. The device features a Marvell 8686
module which is supported
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to let you know that Riku`s latest patch is building and
running on armhf perfectly.
If I might ask you Riku, why are you disabling neon? Is it still not
properly auto-detected at runtime?
br
Josua Mayer
signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
now, without changing *anything* at all.
2) Bluetooth:
There is no state-file created in /var/lib/systemd/rfkill for the
bluetooth device.
But I should add that this specific bluetooth chip requires manualy
loading firmware from userspace, and only then it comes up.
br
Josua Mayer
-- Package-speci
Hi everybody,
How about at least getting the armhf part in somewhere?
I tried to build this thing myself once more but I keep getting weird
compile errors so I'd love to see it build on one of the debian
buildbots.
br
Josua Mayer
2015-10-25 3:25 GMT+01:00 Michael Gilbert <mgilb...@debian.
identifier 'avcodec_get_name'; did you mean
'avcodec_get_type'
I dont think this will be hard to work around (just wondering if it
has surfaced when Riku tried to build).
2015-10-13 21:57 GMT+02:00 Josua Mayer <josua.maye...@gmail.com>:
> I tried to build with Riku's patch, but
Sadly I did not manage to produce any successful build yet.
Instead I am reliably running into this bug:
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=508897
So now I am retrying with this patchset:
https://codereview.chromium.org/1236863006/#ps160001
Hopefully it works; attaching the
Please find the patch for armhf attached.
As of now it is still untested, as my buildbot is still busy building.
It should work for armel too, but I did not enable that in control yet.
diff -Naur chromium-browser-45.0.2454.85.orig/debian/control chromium-browser-45.0.2454.85/debian/control
---
Package: chromium
Version: 45.0.2454.85-1~deb8u1
Severity: wishlist
Dear Maintainer,
While chromium itself works fine on ARM, as proven by the ChromeBooks, it is
not available
on Debian armhf (nor armel).
There are 2 things required to get this working:
a) add armhf to control for all those
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