Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-30 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Sam, Speaking only for myself. On Thu 29 Sep 2022 at 03:31PM -06, Sam Hartman wrote: > Is the maintainer expected to find a forum and try to build consensus on > this issue? I don't think they are. > In various ways the submitter has argued that those proposing to > continue the

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes: >> >> * Who is expected to drive further discussion: the maintainer or >> the bug submitter I guess I don't really see how the above is broad. But let me try and narrow it. Is the maintainer expected to find a forum and try to build consensus on

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-29 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu 29 Sep 2022 at 10:16AM -06, Sam Hartman wrote: > I think it would help the current situation if the TC would clarify the > state of the bugs if they choose not to take up this issue at this time: > > * Who is expected to drive further discussion: the maintainer or the bug >

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Russ> Unfortunately, with this current set of bugs, it seems Russ> unlikely that we're going to manage to make everyone happy in Russ> the short term, which means there's going to be a tense period Russ> where some folks feel strongly that

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Not a TC member so just jumping in from the outside with a personal opinion, which everyone should take or leave as they see fit. Gunnar Wolf writes: > I know that if I suggest you to bring the issue to d-devel@l.d.o it will > fuel a flamewar, but I see no other proper way to handle _this >

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi Ansgar, Ansgar dijo [Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 10:18:26PM +0200]: > Any package relevant for successful boot. Any upgrade. > > As far as I can tell, the submitter requires some guarantees > significantly stronger than what Debian requires for essential > packages. > > In particular, boot-relevant

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-28 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 13:05 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > On Wed 28 Sep 2022 at 08:00PM +02, Ansgar wrote: > > Package: tech-ctte > > X-Debbugs-Cc: Zack Weinberg > > Control: block 1020920 by -1 > > > > Hi, > > > > please clarify if atomic updates are mandatory for the Debian system. > > Or

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-28 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 28 Sep 2022 at 08:00PM +02, Ansgar wrote: > Package: tech-ctte > X-Debbugs-Cc: Zack Weinberg > Control: block 1020920 by -1 > > Hi, > > please clarify if atomic updates are mandatory for the Debian system. > Or other measures to ensure that system crashes at *any* time do not >

Bug#1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required

2022-09-28 Thread Ansgar
Package: tech-ctte X-Debbugs-Cc: Zack Weinberg Control: block 1020920 by -1 Hi, please clarify if atomic updates are mandatory for the Debian system. Or other measures to ensure that system crashes at *any* time do not render a system unbootable. See also: https://bugs.debian.org/1020920