Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2010-06-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: After a discussion on debian-de...@lists.debian.org, that I have summarised in ‘http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20091001012838.ga30...@kunpuu.plessy.org’, I am proposing to drop or relax the requirement from the Policy section 10.4, that programs

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2010-06-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 11:45:41PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : As discussed in that thread, the best path for a contentious point like this with good arguments on both sides would be to go through the Technical Committee, which is designed to be able to make decisions like that. I'd

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: As a user I strongly dislike to have to edit my scripts and command line sessions in order to make them usable for my colleagues, and I would be very annoyed if the first thing to do after installing a package would be to check if I have to change the

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: After a discussion on debian-de...@lists.debian.org, that I have summarised in ‘http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20091001012838.ga30...@kunpuu.plessy.org’, I am proposing to drop or relax the requirement from the Policy section 10.4, that programs

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:00:14PM +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : The goal of removing the language suffix is precisely to avoid to have to edit your script when the program is rewritten in a different language. Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:10:24AM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : The

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: I think that the core of the disagreement is on how frequent the re-implementation in a different language happen. My experience is that in my field, bioinformatics, it is close to zero. Moreover, when programs with similar function and same basename

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:33:53PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: 0: Or alternatively, they're written by people like me who don't think about other people's use of them much. 1: Possibly 3/4 or 4/4; I'm not quite sure what Steve's position is. 3/4, I guess, as I didn't really make my position

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Changing policy without rough consensus would require a CTTE decision on the matter. Since Russ and Manoj have both laid out their objections to changing policy by removing the should directive, I don't believe there is much hope in achieving rough

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:33:53PM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : In the few cases where I've run into this problem, patches have been readily accepted upstream. Indeed, that is the way to go, and the core of my argument is that renaming before the patches are accepted is a deviation that

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:33:53PM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : In the few cases where I've run into this problem, patches have been readily accepted upstream. Indeed, that is the way to go, and the core of my argument is that renaming before

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: There is no consensus for the change, but I would like to underline that the directive itself is not consensusual, as some other developpers supported me in the thread on debian-devel. I think that this is a strong indication that the directive must

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:12:25PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : The basic idea from how I look at it is that Policy uses consensus as a stabilizing factor as well as an approval process. This is typical for very conservative document maintenance, such as for standards. In order to change

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-04 Thread Charles Plessy
found 190753 3.8.3.0 user debian-pol...@packages.debian.org usertags issue thanks Dear all, After a discussion on debian-de...@lists.debian.org, that I have summarised in ‘http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20091001012838.ga30...@kunpuu.plessy.org’, I am proposing to drop or relax the