Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-26 Thread Christian Perrier
There has been such kind of suggestion last weeks but it has been ruled out. I guess that the rationale is mostly avoiding features that are only available in some D-I flavours. Ruled out ? Oh well. ... Which explains the rather harsh reply of this question only being 'noise'. Hey,

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 09:01:39AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: There has been such kind of suggestion last weeks but it has been ruled out. I guess that the rationale is mostly avoiding features that are only available in some D-I flavours. Ruled out ? Oh well. ... Which explains

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 09:10:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 04:57:17PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: I am not sure, but in the graphical installer, we could add a clock widget somewhere from the start, and do clock setting pretty early one (we probably only

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 07:37:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 09:10:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 04:57:17PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: I am not sure, but in the graphical installer, we could add a clock widget somewhere from

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-26 Thread Christian Perrier
Indeed. I do believe it is a small-minded ruling lacknig vision and temerity. I am bitter about this whole issue, and this may reflect and color my attitude over this, but since it has been ruled out, i will not insist further, because i know what it is going to cost me once frans is back.

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-25 Thread Christian Perrier
That information has no value ( it is noise ) It is not noise, it is very valuable information, because with it, you can immediately check that your clock is set correctly or not, and if it is set to UTC or not. Ideally, we could even have a clock setting dialog here or something. Yes,

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 09:33:26AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: That information has no value ( it is noise ) It is not noise, it is very valuable information, because with it, you can immediately check that your clock is set correctly or not, and if it is set to UTC or not.

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-25 Thread Christian Perrier
I am not sure, but in the graphical installer, we could add a clock widget somewhere from the start, and do clock setting pretty early one (we probably only need hwclock and a little menu thingy), it can even be done before base-install and partman, since there are no extra dependencies.

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Thomas
On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Christian Perrier wrote: I am not sure, but in the graphical installer, we could add a clock widget somewhere from the start, and do clock setting pretty early one (we probably only need hwclock and a little menu thingy), it can even be done before

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 04:57:17PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: I am not sure, but in the graphical installer, we could add a clock widget somewhere from the start, and do clock setting pretty early one (we probably only need hwclock and a little menu thingy), it can even be done before

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
Rewording, in case this patch is accepted: System clocks are generally set to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). The operating system uses your time zone to convert system time into - local time. This is recommended unless you also use another operating - system that expects the clock to

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread David Härdeman
On Thu, August 24, 2006 9:52, Christian Perrier said: You should change this setting only if this computer also runs another operating system that expects the hardware clock to be set to local time. Can we expect inexperienced users to know if their other OS want the hardware clock to be set

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting David Härdeman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Thu, August 24, 2006 9:52, Christian Perrier said: You should change this setting only if this computer also runs another operating system that expects the hardware clock to be set to local time. Can we expect inexperienced users to know if

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread Geert Stappers
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:15:23AM +0200, David Härdeman wrote: Can we expect inexperienced users to know if their other OS want the hardware clock to be set to local time? Since most of those users would realistically be dual-booting with Windows, how about: You should change this setting

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread David Härdeman
On Thu, August 24, 2006 12:41, Geert Stappers said: On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:15:23AM +0200, David Härdeman wrote: You should change this setting only if this computer also runs another operating system that expects the hardware clock to be set to local time (e.g. all versions of Microsoft

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread Joey Hess
Christian Perrier wrote: While thinking about this BR, I was mostly sure that we indeed have something in D-I to NOT default to UTC for HW clock when there's a dual boot with Windows. But indeed, I find nothing in the code...and nothing in the BTS. probed=$(os-prober)

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
probed=$(os-prober) if echo $probed | os_needs_local_clock; then # default to localtime for some OSes db_set clock-setup/utc false pri=low fi .. in clock-setup's postinst. Hmmm, /me begins to think about finding a

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 02:19:46PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:52:17PM -0300, Gleidson Echeli Leopoldo wrote: [ wishlist bugreport opened ] After Time-Zone option, it would be interesting to show the current hour where is ask for if the hardware clock is as

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-23 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
tags 380105 + patch thanks This untested patch should solve this issue. I'm not sure where in the template it is best to place the value, and hope someone else can have a look before commit it. * Display current system time when asking if it should use UTC or not. (Closes: #380105)

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-23 Thread Christian Perrier
This untested patch should solve this issue. I'm not sure where in the template it is best to place the value, and hope someone else can have a look before commit it. * Display current system time when asking if it should use UTC or not. (Closes: #380105) It can be enhanced a little

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-23 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 09:16, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: This untested patch should solve this issue. I'm not sure where in the template it is best to place the value, and hope someone else can have a look before commit it. This has been discussed a few times in the past and the decision

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-08-23 Thread Geert Stappers
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:52:17PM -0300, Gleidson Echeli Leopoldo wrote: [ wishlist bugreport opened ] After Time-Zone option, it would be interesting to show the current hour where is ask for if the hardware clock is as UTC or not. That information has no value ( it is noise ) The

Bug#380105: Show current hour in hardware clock question

2006-07-27 Thread Gleidson Echeli Leopoldo
Package: installation Severity: wishlist Hi, today i installed Debian Etch amd64 through an netinst iso image. After Time-Zone option, it would be interesting to show the current hour where is ask for if the hardware clock is as UTC or not. Gleidson signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital