On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 04:57:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
, it changes if you change the SCSI/IDE bus address
of the drive
the same applied in the old hd? and sd? days, drives names changing when
you change thier IDE/SCSI ids is something admins expect and are used to.
Um. Have
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 08:56:39AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 04:57:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
, it changes if you change the SCSI/IDE bus address
of the drive
the same applied in the old hd? and sd? days, drives names changing when
you change thier
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 02:19:11AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
Someone which uses scsi-over-fc have much better identification, the wwnn,
which is used in by-id:
So it's used in by-id, but not in by-path, right? Hence this is still an
argument against by-path.
No, similar identifiers are
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 05:49:02PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
Colin has said a few times that he consideres the Ubuntu solution not
clean enough for Debian.
If I said that I misspoke; I only meant that it's not settled enough for
Etch at this point. As I indicated on #debian-boot yesterday, I
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:22:03PM -, peter green wrote:
for most users fstab has always identified by rough position (e.g.
hda=ide primary master), changing to a system based on partition IDs
would mean a lot of relearning for admins (e.g. its no longer ok to
backup a partition by dding
On Thursday 15 March 2007 17:44, Colin Watson wrote:
Personally I also feel that all possible solutions effectively make
/etc/fstab unreadable and unmaintainable.
The approach we took in Ubuntu was to put comments above each UUID
entry in /etc/fstab documenting which traditional device name
On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
On Thursday 15 March 2007 17:44, Colin Watson wrote:
Personally I also feel that all possible solutions effectively make
/etc/fstab unreadable and unmaintainable.
The approach we took in Ubuntu was to put comments above each UUID
entry in
Personally I also feel that all possible solutions effectively make
/etc/fstab unreadable and unmaintainable. Maybe Debian should
lead the way
to make /etc/fstab a generated file (like e.g. modules.conf used to be).
what is so bad about /dev/disk/by-path/pci-:00:07.1-ide-0:0-part1 ?
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:05:31PM -, peter green wrote:
Personally I also feel that all possible solutions effectively make
/etc/fstab unreadable and unmaintainable. Maybe Debian should
lead the way
to make /etc/fstab a generated file (like e.g. modules.conf used to be).
what is
That it's not a persistent means of identifying a filesystem.
for most users fstab has always identified by rough position (e.g. hda=ide
primary master), changing to a system based on partition IDs would mean a lot
of relearning for admins (e.g. its no longer ok to backup a partition by
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:22:03PM -, peter green wrote:
That it's not a persistent means of identifying a filesystem.
for most users fstab has always identified by rough position (e.g. hda=ide
primary master), changing to a system based on partition IDs would mean a
lot of relearning
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 11:34, Robert Millan [ackstorm] wrote:
- User boots off USB stick
- sda is USB, sdb is SCSI or SATA
- GRUB install on (hd0) (i.e. sda) fails.
- Manual repairing is not possible, because if you boot a rescue
system off USB stick, root disk will still be sdb.
Frans Pop wrote:
I will not deny that users _can_ hit this issue, but it has been a known
issue since Sarge. Unfortunately no one has yet been able to help us find
a good enough for Debian solution for this.
...
Personally I also feel that all possible solutions effectively make
/etc/fstab
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 11:21:05AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
+ uuid=$(PATH=/lib/udev:$PATH vol_id -u $fs)
+ if [ $uuid ]; then
+ printf # %s\n $(mapdevfs $fs)
+ printf %-15s %-15s %-7s %-15s %-7s %s\n UUID=$uuid
${mp} $type $options
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 04:09:48PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
I don't believe this should be changed for etch at this point in the release
process, and that's speaking as someone who's run into this problem myself
with SCSI device renumbering -- it's awkward and annoying to have to
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:28:09PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Is this theoretical with SATA, or have you reproduced it?
I've only reproduced it for SCSI.
The usb sticks include sata-modules as well as usb-modules, so AFAICS,
hardware detection should happen in the same order when booting from
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:03:35PM +0100, Robert Millan [ackstorm] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:55:45AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
I don't know how invasive those changes might be. AFAIK Ubuntu already
does it (Colin?) and wouldn't be too hard to pick the changes from
them but we
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:44:05AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote:
I've attached a patch which implements persistent device names in
partman by checking for devices which are mounted under /target and
which have a suitable link in /dev/disk/by-id/*
I've attached the Ubuntu patch for the same
Oh, at least one additional thing that's likely needed in this scenario
is the attached patch to make busybox's mkswap generate UUIDs.
* util-linux/mkswap.c: Set UUIDs on version 1 swap areas.
* util-linux/Makefile.in: mkswap needs uuid/uuid.h from e2fsprogs.
* e2fsprogs/Makefile.in: Build
I took the liberty of trimming the CC list since the details of a
persistent device node script would probably not interest everyone...
On Thu, March 8, 2007 12:21, Colin Watson said:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:44:05AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote:
I've attached a patch which implements
On Thu, March 8, 2007 12:32, Colin Watson said:
UUIDs certainly have their disadvantages (verbosity being the main one),
but they're a hell of a lot better than labels for automatic use like
this. UUIDs are suitable for automatic generation while labels should
only be set by the sysadmin. The
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:44:05AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote:
I've attached a patch which implements persistent device names in
partman by checking for devices which are mounted under /target and
which have a suitable link in /dev/disk/by-id/*
I've
On Thu, March 8, 2007 13:55, Otavio Salvador said:
To full support it, another change would be need on Parted IIRC. You
reported the patch for it but I hadn't applied yet since we weren't
using it that time.
Do you have a link? The fstab things should take place well after the
partitioning
David Härdeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, March 8, 2007 13:55, Otavio Salvador said:
To full support it, another change would be need on Parted IIRC. You
reported the patch for it but I hadn't applied yet since we weren't
using it that time.
Do you have a link? The fstab things
UUIDs certainly have their disadvantages (verbosity being the main one),
but they're a hell of a lot better than labels for automatic use like
this. UUIDs are suitable for automatic generation while labels should
only be set by the sysadmin. The fiasco with Red Hat's installer setting
labels
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:41:19PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 01:15:23PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 06, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another
situation
that makes it much
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:44:31AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Mar 06, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another
situation
that makes it much worse:
The correct
On Mar 07, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Labels are not well tested and a source of problems indeed.
The /dev/disk/by-*/ devices are well tested and I do not know about
problems posed by them.
--
ciao,
Marco
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On Mar 07, peter green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
by-uuid contains my two ext3 partitions but not my swap partition, it also
seems like it may be vulnerable to becoming confused.
Only if the admin is a moron and keeps around multiple file systems
cloned with dd.
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ciao,
Marco
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by-uuid contains my two ext3 partitions but not my swap
partition, it also seems like it may be vulnerable to becoming confused.
Only if the admin is a moron and keeps around multiple file systems
cloned with dd.
are you calling it moronic to make a backup of a partition by dding to to a
I don't know how invasive those changes might be. AFAIK Ubuntu already
does it (Colin?) and wouldn't be too hard to pick the changes from
them but we would also need RM and Frans approval :(
ubuntu already does what? there are four possible soloutions proposed aren't
there (labels in fstab
peter green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know how invasive those changes might be. AFAIK Ubuntu already
does it (Colin?) and wouldn't be too hard to pick the changes from
them but we would also need RM and Frans approval :(
ubuntu already does what? there are four possible soloutions
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:05:09PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 07, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Labels are not well tested and a source of problems indeed.
The /dev/disk/by-*/ devices are well tested and I do not know about
problems posed by them.
I thought we
Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:44:31AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Mar 06, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:26:47PM +0100, Robert Millan [ackstorm] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:05:09PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 07, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Labels are not well tested and a source of problems indeed.
The /dev/disk/by-*/ devices
Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:33:47AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:44:31AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Mar 06,
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:33:47AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:44:31AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Mar 06, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:55:45AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
With USB, you can't just boot a rescue system and repair a broken install
from there, because /dev/sda will still be your USB drive.
Of course, there are lots of hacks
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:55:45AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
With USB, you can't just boot a rescue system and repair a broken install
from there, because /dev/sda will still be your USB drive.
Of course, there are lots of hacks you can do to workaround that, but if
we go this way,
On Wed, March 7, 2007 13:55, Otavio Salvador said:
I don't know how invasive those changes might be. AFAIK Ubuntu already
does it (Colin?) and wouldn't be too hard to pick the changes from
them but we would also need RM and Frans approval :(
initramfs-tools already supports using
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:50:46AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
peter green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know how invasive those changes might be. AFAIK Ubuntu already
does it (Colin?) and wouldn't be too hard to pick the changes from
them but we would also need RM and Frans
Robert Millan [ackstorm] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another situation
that makes it much worse:
- User boots off USB stick
- sda is USB, sdb is SCSI or SATA
- GRUB install on (hd0) (i.e. sda) fails.
- Manual repairing is not possible, because
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:28:09PM -0500, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert Millan [ackstorm] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another
situation
that makes it much worse:
- User boots off USB stick
- sda is USB, sdb is SCSI or SATA
-
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:18:19PM +0100, David Härdeman wrote:
On Wed, March 7, 2007 13:55, Otavio Salvador said:
I don't know how invasive those changes might be. AFAIK Ubuntu already
does it (Colin?) and wouldn't be too hard to pick the changes from
them but we would also need RM and Frans
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:44:05AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote:
initramfs-tools already supports using /dev/disk/by-* entries in fstab. As
for the installer, I'm not sure that looking at Ubuntu will help since
they use something different than d-i for the regular installs (and I
don't know if
I don't believe this should be changed for etch at this point in
the release
process, and that's speaking as someone who's run into this problem myself
with SCSI device renumbering -- it's awkward and annoying to have to
manually fiddle your boot config because a USB device is no longer
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 04:09:48PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:44:05AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote:
I've attached a patch which implements persistent device names in
partman by checking for devices which are mounted under /target and
which have a suitable link in
Hi,
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another situation
that makes it much worse:
- User boots off USB stick
- sda is USB, sdb is SCSI or SATA
- GRUB install on (hd0) (i.e. sda) fails.
- Manual repairing is not possible, because if you boot a rescue system
On Mar 06, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another situation
that makes it much worse:
The correct solution is to make d-i use labels in fstab and to find the
root file system. udev has not much to do with this.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Mar 06, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another situation
that makes it much worse:
The correct solution is to make d-i use labels in fstab and to find the
root file
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 01:15:23PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 06, Robert Millan [ackstorm] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's another
situation
that makes it much worse:
The correct solution is to make d-i use labels in fstab and
I urge you to reconsider severity of this problem. There's
another situation
that makes it much worse:
The correct solution is to make d-i use labels in fstab and to find the
root file system. udev has not much to do with this.
Which will enable a whole lot of other broken setups.
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