Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-11 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Daniel Dickinson wrote: 1) Install a standard system (say from netboot, netinst, or because you only have regular CD #1 not the xfce CD #1) You can also very easily install alternative desktop environments using the buisinesscard or netinst CDs, or DVDs. See the

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-07 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:34:53 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: On mar, 2009-01-06 at 20:01 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: It occurs to me the reason you are confused is that when I 'Standard System' you are thinking I mean 'typical system' when in fact I mean that I

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-07 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On jeu, 2009-01-08 at 00:21 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Ah! Aptitude also has the ability to select tasks. One of the categories in the defaults displays is 'Tasks' and under that there are things like 'End User' and 'Localisation'. For XFCE you open 'End User' and the highlight 'Xfce

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:36:09 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: So it's not that hard. Manually replacing foomatic-gui by system-config-printer gives: xfce:~# apt-get --no-install-recommends remove --purge foomatic-gui system-config-printer+ Reading package lists... Done

Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Actually, regarding documentation for installing xfce d-i post-install, if we had an appropriate aptitude or apt-get line for copy-and-paste, that would make sense. The problem I see is that the appropriate line depends on the language selection (e.g. a welsh desktop should probably have

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-06 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar, 2009-01-06 at 16:06 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Perhaps it's only when one tries to install xfce after doing a standard install and not when using an xfce cd (that's when it showed up for me). So probably tasksel is fine, the problem is that if you apt-get or aptitude|select

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:48:37 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: On mar, 2009-01-06 at 16:06 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Perhaps it's only when one tries to install xfce after doing a standard install and not when using an xfce cd (that's when it showed up for me). So

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:48:37 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: Anyway, I'm *really* lost about where we are, what the problem really is, and what exactly we are wanting to do to solve it. It occurs to me the reason you are confused is that when I 'Standard System' you are

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-06 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar, 2009-01-06 at 20:01 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: It occurs to me the reason you are confused is that when I 'Standard System' you are thinking I mean 'typical system' when in fact I mean that I select the option 'Standard System' on the tasksel menu. No I'm confused because you

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun, 2009-01-05 at 13:31 +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 05 January 2009, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Reason is that tasksel makes use of the Task: fields in the Packages file, not the task files included in tasksel itself (which, simplified, are only used to update the Packages file).

Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun, 2009-01-05 at 12:50 +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Ok it seems that adding xfce4-session before gdm in the list enables apt-get and aptitude to satisfy the dependency on x-session-manager. Unfortunately this cannot be fixed in tasksel this way. The order in which packages are actually

Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 05 January 2009, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Reason is that tasksel makes use of the Task: fields in the Packages file, not the task files included in tasksel itself (which, simplified, are only used to update the Packages file). Ha, crap. And I guess the Task: order isn't reliable?

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Frans Pop
severity 506406 minor thanks On Monday 05 January 2009, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Well, testing the desktop task not really, especially if it uses Packages files. But we can test installing xdm on top of xfce4. That's not sufficient. What would need to be tested is installing xdm and xfce at

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:58:28PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: severity 506406 minor thanks On Monday 05 January 2009, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Well, testing the desktop task not really, especially if it uses Packages files. But we can test installing xdm on top of xfce4. That's not

Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Frans Pop
Ok it seems that adding xfce4-session before gdm in the list enables apt-get and aptitude to satisfy the dependency on x-session-manager. Unfortunately this cannot be fixed in tasksel this way. The order in which packages are actually installed is not determined by the order in which they are

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 05 January 2009, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: It should at one point run: tasksel install xfce-desktop But according to tasksel --test install xfce-desktop, in fact it should run: aptitude -q --without-recommends -o APT::Install-Recommends=no -y \ install desktop gnome-desktop

Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:31:59 +0100 Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote: Would replacing gdm by xdm solve the problem (see #510422)? Well, I guess so. Could you (or someone else from the desktop teams) test this? I'm just the user who reported the bug (though I hope at some point to

Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies

2009-01-05 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun, 2009-01-05 at 22:55 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:31:59 +0100 Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote: Would replacing gdm by xdm solve the problem (see #510422)? Well, I guess so. Could you (or someone else from the desktop teams) test this? I'm

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-26 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 07:27:20AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: 3) apt-get install $(cat packages.lst) 4) notice that gnome-session, nautilus, etc are installed. Please provide packages.lst. I think it may be related to the following dependency chain: libexo-0.3-0 Depends: libnotify1

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-25 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:24:41 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On mar, 2008-11-25 at 02:15 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:45:47 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On ven, 2008-11-21 at 19:23 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: It was

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-25 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar, 2008-11-25 at 19:15 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Install #1 -- 1) Install a standard system 2) sudo aptitude 3) Select line labelled 'Xfce desktop environment' (i.e. press '+' will that line is highlighted) 4) Type 'g' 5) browse the list of packages; it will show gnome

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-24 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:45:47 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On ven, 2008-11-21 at 19:23 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: It was suggested to me by Frans Pop that I should let you xfce folks know since you're most likely to be motivated to solve it. Opening an important

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-24 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar, 2008-11-25 at 02:15 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:45:47 +0100 Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On ven, 2008-11-21 at 19:23 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: It was suggested to me by Frans Pop that I should let you xfce folks know since you're

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-22 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven, 2008-11-21 at 19:23 -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: It was suggested to me by Frans Pop that I should let you xfce folks know since you're most likely to be motivated to solve it. Opening an important bug on our metapackage is not really the best way to do that. We have a mailing list,

Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-21 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Package: xfce4 Version: 4.4.2.1 Severity: important Aptitude and apt both pull in gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon, nautilus, and a bunch of other gnome stuff that is irrelevant / unwanted for xfce (and which defaults the purpose of a small DE) because of a (known) bug in apt and

Bug#506406: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#506406: xfce4: apt bug causes gdm to pull in unneeded/unwanted gnome dependencies; can a dependency change fix this?

2008-11-21 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 03:33:27AM -0500, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Package: xfce4 Version: 4.4.2.1 Severity: important Aptitude and apt both pull in gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon, nautilus, and a bunch of other gnome stuff that is irrelevant / unwanted for xfce (and which