John Goerzen dijo [Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:24:17AM -0500]:
Actually an advisory dialog (which could be turned off) would make some
sense.
(The author of this PDF document didn't mean to allow you $foo, do you want
to continue anyway? Abort Continue)
Then a) you are aware that there
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 07:09:11PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
Package: okular
Version: 4:4.2.2-2
...
Hi John,
I hope at least you read this email and get the whole map. Why this bug
report is tagged as wontfix and why your patch won't be applied.
You have got answers from several people from
Ana Guerrero wrote:
You have got answers from several people from the KDE team and you seemed to
stick only to the aggressive ones (i guess because they annoyed you).
Hi Ana,
Thanks for the email.
I don't actually know who is on the KDE team. But in general, I don't
reply to posts with I
Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Michael Banck]
If copying is indeed the only thing which is mediated via DRM, I agree
with you, but maybe the situation should get analyzed a bit and anyway,
we should make it easy for large organisations (public administration,
companies) to set a default for their
Hello,
On 2009 m. June 1 d., Monday 21:07:21 John Goerzen wrote:
I don't actually know who is on the KDE team. But in general, I don't
reply to posts with I agree because it just creates noise on the list.
If there's something I disagree with, then I may post. So I may be
agreeing with
tag 531221 wontfix
thanks
On Sunday 31 May 2009 02:09:11 John Goerzen wrote:
Package: okular
Version: 4:4.2.2-2
Severity: normal
I'm CCing this to Debian-devel because I think it speaks to a larger
issue.
I just downloaded a PDF, and tried to copy and paste a bit of text
from it. I used
Hi,
This means the author of the PDF set that users shouldn't (in their will)
copy the text from their PDF.
You can disable the usage of document permissions by disabling the
related option from the preferences.
I checked, and do see that option. But why is it on by default? Or
even
Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 11:47 +0200, Pino Toscano a écrit :
If tomorrow a corporate person complains that Okular does not respect the PDF
format in that sense and that they cannot make use of it because of that,
what
should I tell them? They would be right.
You tell them to enable the
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 02:30:58AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
I see it's been pointed out in a comment in your blog post already,
but I'll mention it here for the benefit of those reading along:
obeying DRM is a configurable runtime option in Okular, so it's just
a matter of going to the
Hello,
On 2009 m. May 31 d., Sunday 15:42:33 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
- If okular has a system-wide setting Obey DRM which acts as a
default for user choices, we have already won: the Debian package
maintainer is fully in charge of making the choice of what that
default should be.
-
Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2009-05-31, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote:
Both these propositions make the feature pointless. The only sensible
options is to dump it entirely, as you are suggesting below.
Actually an advisory dialog (which could be turned off) would make some sense.
(The
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
FWIW If I were the package maintainer, my choice would be not to Obey
DRM by default, but I'm not.
Interestingly enough, we patch this stuff out of xpdf already, for
presumably the same reasons. evince either never had it, or it is
patched out in Debian. I would be
On May 31, Sune Vuorela s...@vuorela.dk wrote:
So. you want Okular to by default help you with violating conditions of use
of
the document you downloaded?
Correct, this is what I would like it to do (but I use evince instead,
which by default does not bother users with this sillyness).
Users
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:32:25AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
In any case, I think it was very premature to tag this wontfix.
...
Why are you tagging it wontfix, Sune?
I do not see this as premature at all. We, KDE maintainers, have talked
about it and we all have decided we are ok as it
Ana Guerrero wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:32:25AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
In any case, I think it was very premature to tag this wontfix.
...
Why are you tagging it wontfix, Sune?
I do not see this as premature at all. We, KDE maintainers, have talked
about it and we all have
Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 31, Sune Vuorela s...@vuorela.dk wrote:
So. you want Okular to by default help you with violating conditions of use
of
the document you downloaded?
Correct, this is what I would like it to do (but I use evince instead,
which by default does not bother users
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 09:05:10AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
Ana Guerrero wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:32:25AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
In any case, I think it was very premature to tag this wontfix.
...
Why are you tagging it wontfix, Sune?
I do not see this as
John Goerzen writes:
1) Remove the DRM feature entirely
Please don't call it DRM. It's just advisory locking. IMHO not enabling
it or omitting it entirely has no legal implications.
(I think it should be off by default with an option to turn it on but
that's just my irrelevant opinion. I
On May 31, John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote:
Please don't call it DRM. It's just advisory locking. IMHO not enabling
it or omitting it entirely has no legal implications.
It clearly has no legal implication (in jurisdictions having such a
clause, like the USA) because it is not an
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:32:25AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
presumably the same reasons. evince either never had it, or it is
patched out in Debian. I would be happy with us patching okular to
http://bugs.debian.org/413953
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Hi,
1) Remove the DRM feature entirely
This will not be done until ISO 32000 changes in that regard.
2) Patch the default to have it disabled
Nope.
3) Patch the prompt to have an allow/deny option
Which prompt are you speaking about?
4) Patch the text to tell people where to go to turn
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 16:59 +0200, Pino Toscano wrote:
A final remark; John Hasler (and other people) wrote:
(I think it should be off by default with an option to turn it on but
that's just my irrelevant opinion. I don't use the package.)
I'm just curious to know: if you don't use the
Pino Toscano writes:
I'm just curious to know: if you don't use the package, how can you express
an
opinion on it?
I commented on the misuse of the term DRM to describe the advisory locking
that is the subject of this discussion. I added the parenthetical to make
it clear that I was not
John Hasler wrote:
Pino Toscano writes:
I'm just curious to know: if you don't use the package, how can you express
an
opinion on it?
I commented on the misuse of the term DRM to describe the advisory locking
that is the subject of this discussion. I added the parenthetical to make
it
tags 531221 patch
thanks
Sune Vuorela wrote:
2) Patch the default to have it disabled
It's a deviation from upstream that we would have to maintain for eternity.
This issue is not important enough for me to put the extra required work into
it
Here's the patch:
Package: okular
Version: 4:4.2.2-2
Severity: normal
I'm CCing this to Debian-devel because I think it speaks to a larger
issue.
I just downloaded a PDF, and tried to copy and paste a bit of text
from it. I used the selection tool, and Okular offered to speak it to
me, but said Copy forbidden by
On May 31, John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote:
So what I want to know is: why are people putting code into Debian
that limits our freedom? Why are people putting such code into KDE?
And can we please patch it to stop that?
Indeed, the program is clearly broken by design and needs to
Hi,
Okular maintainer (upstream, and cooperating in Debian) speaking here.
I just downloaded a PDF, and tried to copy and paste a bit of text
from it. I used the selection tool, and Okular offered to speak it to
me, but said Copy forbidden by DRM.
This means the author of the PDF set that
+ John Goerzen (Sat, 30 May 2009 19:09:11 -0500):
I'm CCing this to Debian-devel because I think it speaks to a larger
issue.
I just downloaded a PDF, and tried to copy and paste a bit of text
from it. I used the selection tool, and Okular offered to speak it to
me, but said Copy forbidden
On May 31, Pino Toscano p...@kde.org wrote:
This means the author of the PDF set that users shouldn't (in their will)
copy
the text from their PDF.
You can disable the usage of document permissions by disabling the related
option from the preferences.
It's not clear to me why this should
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:30:33AM +0200, Pino Toscano wrote:
Hi,
Okular maintainer (upstream, and cooperating in Debian) speaking here.
I just downloaded a PDF, and tried to copy and paste a bit of text
from it. I used the selection tool, and Okular offered to speak it to
me, but
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