Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Yes. I would still prefer to see something like that. I don't
remember exactly what the objections were and I'm very very tired now
but perhaps something like
We expect that Debian will continue to support mkultiple init
systems for
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 07:45:19AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Yes. I would still prefer to see something like that. I don't
remember exactly what the objections were and I'm very very tired now
but perhaps something like
We
Bdale Garbee writes (Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
I've been trying to avoid making decisions now about what happens beyond
jessie, but I would not object to including that text since I think it's
true for at least some values of support.
OK, good.
After a bit of wordsmithing
Adrian Bunk writes (Re: Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 07:45:19AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
I've been trying to avoid making decisions now about what happens beyond
jessie, but I would not object to including that text since I think it's
true
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
Adrian, does that address your point ? I think that phrasing makes it
clear that the remaining text (whether T or L) applies past jessie,
too.
To expand on what Adrian says in his next mails, the result is that
you might have
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
Bdale, if this is not acceptable to you then please say.
Bdale has said on irc that he's happy. So I hereby withdraw my
previous amendments and propose and accept and do not accept
amendments so as to produce the following set
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 03:13:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Bdale Garbee writes (Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
I've been trying to avoid making decisions now about what happens beyond
jessie, but I would not object to including that text since I think it's
true for at least
Adrian Bunk writes (Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 03:13:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
== clarification text for all versions except GR ==
This decision is limited to selecting a default initsystem for
jessie. We expect that Debian
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
I would be happy to do this. Anyone object to me prefixing
Therefore, for jessie and later releases:
before the T/L Software ... paragraphs ?
Following another exchange on IRC I have now done this in git, and I
hereby propose
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
UT upstart default in jessie, requiring specific init is allowed
So just to ensure I don't misunderstand:
The way I read the texts, you could have e.g. Upstart as default init
system and GNOME depend on
Olav Vitters writes (Re: Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
UT upstart default in jessie, requiring specific init is allowed
So just to ensure I don't misunderstand:
The way I read the texts
On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 10:44:27PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
...
I think L is a bad technical design, regardless of the relative merits of
the possible init systems that we might switch to. It's effectively
equivalent to requiring sysvinit support for all packages indefinitely,
and if we
Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de writes:
No, it does not require sysvinit support for all packages indefinitely.
The current TC decision is *for jessie*.
The D/U/O/V/GR options are for jessie. T and L aren't. Nothing in T or L
are limited to jessie. If that's what you think they should say, then
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 11:44:55AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de writes:
No, it does not require sysvinit support for all packages indefinitely.
The current TC decision is *for jessie*.
The D/U/O/V/GR options are for jessie. T and L aren't. Nothing in T or L
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Cameron Norman writes:
This is not really what I was interested in. I want a package for each
init system (init-systemd, init-upstart, etc.) that uses something like
init-select (under the hood) to prompt the user to change the init
system.
Adrian Bunk writes (Bug#727708: package to change init systems):
This decision is limited to selecting a default initsystem; we
continue to welcome contributions of support for all init systems.
...
there is an in jessie at the top, and it is stated nowhere that any
part
On Saturday, February 01, 2014 19:14:21 Cameron Norman wrote:
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
I *like* systemd, and I would still be very unhappy
if a routine aptitude upgrade (or even a dist-upgrade) of a system
currently running sysvinit suddenly
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.uswrote:
On Saturday, February 01, 2014 19:14:21 Cameron Norman wrote:
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
I *like* systemd, and I would still be very unhappy
if a routine aptitude upgrade
Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes:
This is not really what I was interested in. I want a package for each
init system (init-systemd, init-upstart, etc.) that uses something like
init-select (under the hood) to prompt the user to change the init
system. This will allow packages
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