Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

We really need to add Kosovo to the list of countries, regions, territories, areas, zones or whatever you want to call it. Right now, in fact for the last 17 years, not only Kosovo people are suffering from this problem but everyone having to do with Kosovo, not for political reasons but for a

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

Fun to see this discussion going round with people having no idea of what we went through back in 2004 and later and the real circumstances around the choice of ISO-3166 and the very few minor concessions we made back then (mostly Taiwan and Macedonia), to accomodate at best what would be good for

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 19:31 -0600, Ben Hildred wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 13:13 -0600, Ben Hildred wrote: > > > Lets Throw out this crazy idea for consideration: Drop support for all > > > countries. > > > >

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 13:13 -0600, Ben Hildred wrote: > > Lets Throw out this crazy idea for consideration: Drop support for all > > countries. > > > > To start off this will not actually be completely possible because

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 13:13 -0600, Ben Hildred wrote: > Lets Throw out this crazy idea for consideration: Drop support for all > countries. > > To start off this will not actually be completely possible because of > broadcast regulations, but if you limit it to wireless networking (and > other

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

Lets Throw out this crazy idea for consideration: Drop support for all countries. To start off this will not actually be completely possible because of broadcast regulations, but if you limit it to wireless networking (and other radio application) configuration, we can then define a country as a

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 06:46:15PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 24/08/17 18:02, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Case in point: why would Kosovo *need* to be on the d-i list of > > countries? Is there a difference between Kosovo and Serbia[1] or other > > countries in the former Yugoslavia

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

Le Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 06:22:16PM +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit : > > mirrors in Kosovo. Hi again Daniel and everybody, please do not take it as a negative view on the work who set up these mirrors, but for most installations in Kosovo, do you know how their performance compares to the

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On 24/08/17 18:02, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Case in point: why would Kosovo *need* to be on the d-i list of > countries? Is there a difference between Kosovo and Serbia[1] or other > countries in the former Yugoslavia that d-i would need to be aware of > (such as locale settings, keyboard

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On 24/08/17 18:02, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Case in point: why would Kosovo *need* to be on the d-i list of > countries? Is there a difference between Kosovo and Serbia[1] or other > countries in the former Yugoslavia that d-i would need to be aware of > (such as locale settings, keyboard

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:05:22AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 24/08/17 08:51, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > In the case of XYZ, "use a different distribution" isn't going to > > silence such people. Instead, they'll just yell harder. "Debian's making > > a political statement about

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On 24/08/17 08:51, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > In the case of XYZ, "use a different distribution" isn't going to > silence such people. Instead, they'll just yell harder. "Debian's making > a political statement about XYZ, and it's wrong, and I told them that > it's wrong, and they're ignoring

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 07:54:44PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 23/08/17 19:22, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:02:27AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> While it is good that we use material from official sources, Debian is > >> independent of any state and may not

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

Le Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 07:54:44PM +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit : > > If that means a user in Kosovo is more likely to configure their system > correctly, then it is a good technical solution, similar to what I > described (leaving out the country codes for such regions and helping > them choose

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:02:27AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > While it is good that we use material from official sources, Debian is > independent of any state and may not need to feel constrained by such lists/ > standards in the same way that a commercial software vendor might be. On the

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On 23/08/17 19:22, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:02:27AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> While it is good that we use material from official sources, Debian is >> independent of any state and may not need to feel constrained by such lists/ >> standards in the same way that a

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On 22/08/17 10:52, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:28:18AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> According to this section in the Debian Installer i18n guide[1], the >> list of countries is based on ISO3166. > Kosovo is listed in ISO3166 as RS-KM, see >

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:28:18AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > According to this section in the Debian Installer i18n guide[1], the > list of countries is based on ISO3166. Kosovo is listed in ISO3166 as RS-KM, see https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:RS However we don't list

Bug#872867: is ISO-3166 really the optimal list for our users?

Package: localechooser Version: 2.69 Severity: wishlist While visiting Kosovo, I have met several people interested in becoming Debian users. The first time I helped one of them run the Debian installation, I was baffled to find that their country was not in the list offered by the installer.