Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-07 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
control: tags -1 +wontfix [2019-12-05 10:32] Thomas Goirand > Source: sysvinit > Severity: normal > > Dear sysvinit maintainers, > > OpenRC is actively maintained upstream, and is a full replacement of sysv-rc, > including many improvements. > > Currently, packages are stuck with long,

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-06 Thread Lorenz
> Thomas Goirand writes: > > So, my proposal is to get rid of sysv-rc provided by sysvinit, in the favor of > OpenRC, so that developers can start replacing their init scripts by superior > runscripts. Please don't: runit uses sysvinit scripts as a fallback for a missing runscript (with

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/6/19 2:30 AM, Benda Xu wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Thomas Goirand writes: > >>> The last time I looked (years ago), there were features in sysvinit >>> which weren't in OpenRC (yet). IIRC not having concurrent execution of >>> boot scripts was one of the missing features and the reason for

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Benda Xu
Hi Thomas, Thomas Goirand writes: >> The last time I looked (years ago), there were features in sysvinit >> which weren't in OpenRC (yet). IIRC not having concurrent execution of >> boot scripts was one of the missing features and the reason for e.g. >> our derivative distribution GRML to not

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Thorsten Glaser > > Dropping sysvinit as it works and as admins know... no. > > Absolutely NOT. > > Thorsten, do you have any point of argumentation besides "it works and > we know it"? That's IMO a bit light... I don’t want to learn a new init

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Axel Beckert
Hi Thomas, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Maybe packages can ship them somewhere else than default, and openrc > > uses dpkg-divert to get them into the expected path if and only if > > openrc is installed. > > Files in /etc/init.d are CONFFILE files. I don't think dpkg-divert works > with CONFFILE

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi Alex, Axel Beckert > Thomas Goirand wrote: > > OpenRC is actively maintained upstream, > > Sysvinit is AFAIK maintained upstream again since a year ago or so. So > this is no reason to get rid of sysvinit. Note all the new upstream > releases, Dmitry has uploaded in the past year: >

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Your thoughts? No. Supporting it as an alternative, granted, not even worth discussing. Dropping sysvinit as it works and as admins know… no. Absolutely NOT. bye, //mirabilos -- Yes, I hate users and I want them to suffer. -- Marco d'Itri

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Benda Xu
Hi Thomas, Thomas Goirand writes: > OpenRC is actively maintained upstream, and is a full replacement of > sysv-rc, including many improvements. > > Currently, packages are stuck with long, non-declarative sysv-rc > scripts, and cannot switch to superior runscripts, interpreted by >

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Axel Beckert
Hi, Thomas Goirand wrote: > OpenRC is actively maintained upstream, Sysvinit is AFAIK maintained upstream again since a year ago or so. So this is no reason to get rid of sysvinit. Note all the new upstream releases, Dmitry has uploaded in the past year:

Bug#946197: Let's switch to OpenRC?

2019-12-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
Source: sysvinit Severity: normal Dear sysvinit maintainers, OpenRC is actively maintained upstream, and is a full replacement of sysv-rc, including many improvements. Currently, packages are stuck with long, non-declarative sysv-rc scripts, and cannot switch to superior runscripts, interpreted