Bug#335898: bogus all rights reserved message
Package: kfreebsd-5 Severity: normal The following lines are printed by kFreeBSD when boot starts: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. I think there two problems with that: - All rights reserved would imply that the software is not licensed at all, which isn't true. The answers I got from #debian-devel indicate it's perfectly legal to remove this message for clarification. - These lines were added to advertise BSD 4.4 and FreeBSD, but our system is much different, and contains code copyrighted by a lot other contributors (FSF, SPI, X, etc). In this context, I think advertising UCB doesn't make any sense. As for FreeBSD, I'm not so sure. Perhaps we should keep it, but still indicate that this copyright doesn't refer to the whole system as it did on FreeBSD. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: kfreebsd-i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: GNU/kFreeBSD 5.4-1-686 Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) (ignored: LC_ALL set to C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#335898: bogus all rights reserved message
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 11:16:14AM -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: Quoting Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Package: kfreebsd-5 Severity: normal The following lines are printed by kFreeBSD when boot starts: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. I think there two problems with that: - All rights reserved would imply that the software is not licensed at all, which isn't true. The answers I got from #debian-devel indicate it's perfectly legal to remove this message for clarification. IIRC, the phrase All rights reserved. is required for copyrighted material in some Latin American countries. Without it, it isn't copyrighted. I.e., All rights reserved. is the equivalent of Copyright 2005 I. Author. Of course, IANAL. According to what I've been told in #debian-devel (which makes sense to me), all rights reserved means you have no right to use this software. However, the licensing terms in the source code should take preference. I'm CCing debian-legal, perhaps they can mirror some light into this. -- Robert Millan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#335898: bogus all rights reserved message
Robert Millan wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 11:16:14AM -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: Quoting Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Package: kfreebsd-5 Severity: normal The following lines are printed by kFreeBSD when boot starts: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. I think there two problems with that: - All rights reserved would imply that the software is not licensed at all, which isn't true. The answers I got from #debian-devel indicate it's perfectly legal to remove this message for clarification. Not unless you are the copyright holder. IIRC, the phrase All rights reserved. is required for copyrighted material in some Latin American countries. Without it, it isn't copyrighted. I.e., All rights reserved. is the equivalent of Copyright 2005 I. Author. Of course, IANAL. That is correct. According to what I've been told in #debian-devel (which makes sense to me), all rights reserved means you have no right to use this software. In the absence of some additional terms constituting a Free license: yes, the same way that Copyright 2005 J. Random Hacker means you have no right to use the software. However, the licensing terms in the source code should take preference. Correct. If additional clarification is desired at boot time, a note could be added saying that the software was available under the BSD license; alternatively, you could remove the copyright notice *from the boot messages* (since it is not the copyright notice which is governing the work). - Josh Triplett signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#335898: bogus all rights reserved message
severity 335898 wishlist thanks Robert Millan a écrit : Package: kfreebsd-5 Severity: normal The following lines are printed by kFreeBSD when boot starts: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. I think there two problems with that: [...] snip - These lines were added to advertise BSD 4.4 and FreeBSD, but our system is much different, and contains code copyrighted by a lot other contributors (FSF, SPI, X, etc). In this context, I think advertising UCB doesn't make Exactly as FreeBSD (except SPI). any sense. As for FreeBSD, I'm not so sure. Perhaps we should keep it, but still indicate that this copyright doesn't refer to the whole system as it did on FreeBSD. On FreeBSD, it also don't apply to the whole system. I think it applies to the kernel, even on FreeBSD. Well I don't really know what we should do, but that's clearly not a problem nor a bug, that's why I am decreasing the severity to wishlist. Bye, Aurelien -- .''`. Aurelien Jarno | GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 : :' : Debian developer | Electrical Engineer `. `' [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-people.debian.org/~aurel32 | www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#335898: bogus all rights reserved message
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 10:21:40AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: - All rights reserved would imply that the software is not licensed at all, which isn't true. The answers I got from #debian-devel indicate it's perfectly legal to remove this message for clarification. ^ Not unless you are the copyright holder. I meant to say from the boot message here. Does this also apply to the boot log? Your other response below seems to indicate otherwise: [...] alternatively, you could remove the copyright notice *from the boot messages* (since it is not the copyright notice which is governing the work). -- Robert Millan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#335898: bogus all rights reserved message
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 07:51:23PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: - These lines were added to advertise BSD 4.4 and FreeBSD, but our system is much different, and contains code copyrighted by a lot other contributors (FSF, SPI, X, etc). In this context, I think advertising UCB doesn't make Exactly as FreeBSD (except SPI). [...] On FreeBSD, it also don't apply to the whole system. I think it applies to the kernel, even on FreeBSD. Ah, right. I completely forgot their userland includes stuff from other sources. Well I don't really know what we should do, but that's clearly not a problem nor a bug, that's why I am decreasing the severity to wishlist. I don't mind closing then (unless someone in the debian-legal thread wants to back up the claim that all rights reserved means the software is not licensed at all). -- Robert Millan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#335898: bogus all rights reserved message
Robert Millan wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 10:21:40AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: - All rights reserved would imply that the software is not licensed at all, which isn't true. The answers I got from #debian-devel indicate it's perfectly legal to remove this message for clarification. ^ Not unless you are the copyright holder. I meant to say from the boot message here. Does this also apply to the boot log? Your other response below seems to indicate otherwise: [...] alternatively, you could remove the copyright notice *from the boot messages* (since it is not the copyright notice which is governing the work). Right; you can't remove the copyright notice or the all rights reserved notice that actually governs the work itself, but you can definitely remove a random print statement from the boot messages. - Josh Triplett signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
