Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:07:34AM +0200, Brice Goglin wrote:
 x11-apps:
 oclock??
 xclock   ??

Put the clocks directly into Applications/System?

 xclipboard   Application/System/Administration ??

This is hardly sysadmin stuff... put it into Applications/Editors
or Application/System, I guess.

 xditview   Application/Viewers ??
 xwd   Applications/Graphics ??

Yep.

 x11-utils
 editres   Applications/System/Administration ??
 xev   Applications/System/Monitoring ??
 xfontsel   Applications/System/Administration ??
 xkill   Applications/System/Administration ??

I'd put all of those directly into Applications/System.

 x11-xserver-utils
 xrefresh   Applications/System/Administration ??
 xsetroot   Applications/System/Administration ??
 xvidtune   Applications/System/Administration ??

Ditto.

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Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-19 Thread Brice Goglin
Josip Rodin wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:07:34AM +0200, Brice Goglin wrote:
   
 x11-apps:
 oclock??
 xclock   ??
 

 Put the clocks directly into Applications/System?
   

Unfortunately, /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz says
 Packages must be placed in leaf sections.

thanks for the feedback anyway.
Brice



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Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 04:13:55PM +0200, Brice Goglin wrote:
  x11-apps:
  oclock??
  xclock   ??
  
 
  Put the clocks directly into Applications/System?
 
 Unfortunately, /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz says
  Packages must be placed in leaf sections.
 
 thanks for the feedback anyway.

Well, then I suggest you fix this obviously ill-conceived aspect of the
new menu policy, or allocate new sections for these purposes.
I'm sure the new policy wasn't meant to break stuff.

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Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-18 Thread Brice Goglin
Hi,

xbase-clients' programs have been missing from the Debian menu for a
while, and you requested them to be re-added back. We were about to do
it while splitting xbase-clients into multiple pieces including
x11-apps, x11-utils and x11-xserver-utils (currently in experimental).
Unfortunately, the Debian menu hierarchy has changed recently and it's
hard for us to find a correct location for all these programs (there's
no various tools section :)). So if you really want the menu entries
back, please help us :)

The new hierarchy is available in /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz (as of
menu 2.1.35). Here's some possible locations to start with:

x11-apps:
oclock??
xbiffApplications/Network/Communication
xcalcApplications/Science/Mathematics
xclipboard   Application/System/Administration ??
xclock   ??
xconsole   Application/System/Monitoring
xditview   Application/Viewers ??
xeyes   Games/Toys
xedit   Applications/Editors
xload   Applications/System/Monitoring
xlogo   Games/Toys
xmag   Applications/Accessibility
xman   Help
xwd   Applications/Graphics ??

x11-utils
editres   Applications/System/Administration ??
xev   Applications/System/Monitoring ??
xfontsel   Applications/System/Administration ??
xkill   Applications/System/Administration ??

x11-xserver-utils
xrefresh   Applications/System/Administration ??
xsetroot   Applications/System/Administration ??
xvidtune   Applications/System/Administration ??

Brice



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Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Brice,

Am 2007-08-18 10:07:34, schrieb Brice Goglin:
 The new hierarchy is available in /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz (as of
 menu 2.1.35). Here's some possible locations to start with:
 
 x11-apps:
 oclock??
 xclipboard   Application/System/Administration ??
 xclock   ??

Should we create the missing section?

 xconsole   Application/System/Monitoring

I can not run this tool on Etch, Lenny and Sid because it give me
Couldn't open console, which mean, I have to set (as root) the
permission of /dec/console to be readable by any users which I do
not realy like.

Maybe we should leave this tool out.

 xbiffApplications/Network/Communication
 xcalcApplications/Science/Mathematics
 xditview   Application/Viewers ??

Shoud be OK too.

 xeyes   Games/Toys
 xedit   Applications/Editors
 xload   Applications/System/Monitoring
 xlogo   Games/Toys
 xmag   Applications/Accessibility
 xman   Help
 xwd   Applications/Graphics ??

This too

 x11-utils
 editres   Applications/System/Administration ??

OK

 xev   Applications/System/Monitoring ??

With this I am not sure, since it is only usefull if you admin
the system, e.g. by adapting Multimedia-Keyboards and such...

 xfontsel   Applications/System/Administration ??

This is OK

 xkill   Applications/System/Administration ??

Do not know.

 x11-xserver-utils
 xrefresh   Applications/System/Administration ??
 xvidtune   Applications/System/Administration ??

OK

 xsetroot   Applications/System/Administration ??

The problem is, that this tool require a parameter which mean,
it is not usefull in any menu entries.  Since menu can not ask
for parameters, we should drop it from menu.


Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant


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Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-18 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070818 19:43]:
  xev   Applications/System/Monitoring ??
 
 With this I am not sure, since it is only usefull if you admin
 the system, e.g. by adapting Multimedia-Keyboards and such...

As keyboard is under total control, it is useful if you 'administrate'
your own account. On the other hand the important part of this program
is its output the terminal, so starting it from the menu does not make
any sense I can see.

Hochachtungsvoll,
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Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-18 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 19:57:55 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:

 * Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070818 19:43]:
   xev   Applications/System/Monitoring ??
  
  With this I am not sure, since it is only usefull if you admin
  the system, e.g. by adapting Multimedia-Keyboards and such...
 
 As keyboard is under total control, it is useful if you 'administrate'
 your own account. On the other hand the important part of this program
 is its output the terminal, so starting it from the menu does not make
 any sense I can see.
 
The menu entry launches 'x-terminal-emulator -e xev'.

Cheers,
Julien


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Bug#373723: Adding menu entries back to xbase-clients

2007-08-18 Thread Brice Goglin
Michelle Konzack wrote:
 The new hierarchy is available in /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz (as of
 menu 2.1.35). Here's some possible locations to start with:

 x11-apps:
 oclock??
 xclipboard   Application/System/Administration ??
 xclock   ??
 

 Should we create the missing section?
   

We might end up requesting a new section if there is no satisfying
solution. I feel like some section to put various tools is missing. Not
being able to find a place for xclock looks strange to me. Even FVWM and
Window Maker applets both have their own section, having a section for
common widgets such a xclock might be better then.

 xconsole   Application/System/Monitoring
 

 I can not run this tool on Etch, Lenny and Sid because it give me
 Couldn't open console, which mean, I have to set (as root) the
 permission of /dec/console to be readable by any users which I do
 not realy like.

 Maybe we should leave this tool out.
   

Xconsole would actually call xconsole -f /dev/xconsole as requested in
an old bug report. People in the adm group should be able to see some
logs then.

 xsetroot   Applications/System/Administration ??
 

 The problem is, that this tool require a parameter which mean,
 it is not usefull in any menu entries.  Since menu can not ask
 for parameters, we should drop it from menu.
   

It seems that xsetroot resets to the default background pattern when no
argument is given, that's what the old xbase-clients menu entry was
meant to.

Brice



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