Bug#422347: [pkg-ntp-maintainers] Bug#422347: can't get ntpq without ntpd

[Kurt Roeckx]

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 08:45:35AM +0200, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
> Am 20.06.2017 um 03:33 schrieb Vincent Lefevre:
> > On 2017-06-19 23:55:04 +0200, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
> >> Marking as wontfix since this is not going to be changed in stable
> >> releases.
> > 
> > Most bugs are in that case, so "wontfix" is improper. What matters
> > is that the bug will be fixed for the next stable version.
> 
> I'm not sure whether we do want to split this up. If we don't plan to
> ever split it "wontfix" (and eventually closing) is an acceptable solution.
> 
> Kurt, what's your take on this?

I have no problem with splitting it. ntpq can be used to talk to
remote hosts, ntpdc in theory too but it might be more
problematic. But I never used either to talk to a remote host. The
default ntp.conf doesn't allow you to do so. There have also been
many security bugs that are only relevant if you allow to use
those tools, including amplification attacks.

So in theory it could be useful to monitor other hosts ntp status,
and could then be used if you use ntpdate or sntpd to synch the
the local clock, but I think in practice it's not really useful
to split it.


Kurt

Bug#422347: [pkg-ntp-maintainers] Bug#422347: can't get ntpq without ntpd

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2017-06-20 07:02:54 +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 03:33:50AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2017-06-19 23:55:04 +0200, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
> > > For sid there is a new binary package sntp that ships a proper
> > > ntp client.
> > 
> > Unless sntp completely replaces ntpdc and ntpq, this doesn't solve
> > the bug.
> 
> I think it's a replacement of ntpdate, not ntpdc and ntpq

ntpdate was already in its own binary package. So, there isn't much
change compared to the previous status.

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Bug#422347: [pkg-ntp-maintainers] Bug#422347: can't get ntpq without ntpd

[Kurt Roeckx]

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 03:33:50AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2017-06-19 23:55:04 +0200, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
> > Marking as wontfix since this is not going to be changed in stable
> > releases.
> 
> Most bugs are in that case, so "wontfix" is improper. What matters
> is that the bug will be fixed for the next stable version.
> 
> > For sid there is a new binary package sntp that ships a proper
> > ntp client.
> 
> Unless sntp completely replaces ntpdc and ntpq, this doesn't solve
> the bug.

I think it's a replacement of ntpdate, not ntpdc and ntpq



Kurt

Bug#422347: [pkg-ntp-maintainers] Bug#422347: can't get ntpq without ntpd

[Steve Kostecke]

Josip Rodin said:

On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:04:59PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
 I had the ntp package because I wanted the ntpq utility

Now I found that I also have use for the the ntpdc utility on a machine
where openntpd suffices as the server.

In general, all this generic NTP client software that doesn't depend on
a NTP server on localhost needs to be split out.

The same binary is both the NTP client _and_ the NTP server.

If you do want to separate out the utilities the resulting package
should be named ntp-utilities.

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Bug#422347: [pkg-ntp-maintainers] Bug#422347: can't get ntpq without ntpd

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 03:52:11PM -0400, Steve Kostecke wrote:
 Josip Rodin said:
 On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:04:59PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
  I had the ntp package because I wanted the ntpq utility
 
 Now I found that I also have use for the the ntpdc utility on a machine
 where openntpd suffices as the server.
 
 In general, all this generic NTP client software that doesn't depend on
 a NTP server on localhost needs to be split out.
 
 The same binary is both the NTP client _and_ the NTP server.
 
 If you do want to separate out the utilities the resulting package
 should be named ntp-utilities.

Er, ntpdc isn't the NTP server, it's a query program for the separate
server program called ntpd. It's customary to refer to these as clients.
But regardless, I really don't care much about the exact package name,
just about the restoration of old functionality.

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