Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 02:49:10PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >Steve McIntyre, le lun. 17 juin 2019 12:41:40 +0100, a ecrit: >> That's all OK, but it would be lovely to have some warning that "dark >> theme" is *meant* for the visually-impaired. I'd just seen this as an >> apparently arbitrary choice of different colours without that >> information... > >Ok, I have relabelled the choice. Cool, thanks. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I've only once written 'SQL is my bitch' in a comment. But that code is in use on a military site..." -- Simon Booth
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
Steve McIntyre, le lun. 17 juin 2019 12:41:40 +0100, a ecrit: > That's all OK, but it would be lovely to have some warning that "dark > theme" is *meant* for the visually-impaired. I'd just seen this as an > apparently arbitrary choice of different colours without that > information... Ok, I have relabelled the choice. Samuel
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:11:28AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >Yevgen, le lun. 17 juin 2019 12:05:36 +0300, a ecrit: >> 1) Assumption that dark themes were meant mostly for low vision is realy >> subjective. >> Some people use them at night, some just prefer them... > >This "dark theme" choice has never been meant for general user theme >preferences support, but really for accessibility. > >> 2) It makes Debian installer inconsistent > >We can't really be consistent, unless we happen to have one choice of >desktop which provides good support for all Debian goals. Gnome does not >currently provide as seamless accessibility support as MATE does. That's all OK, but it would be lovely to have some warning that "dark theme" is *meant* for the visually-impaired. I'd just seen this as an apparently arbitrary choice of different colours without that information... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -- Edward Snowden
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
Yevgen, le lun. 17 juin 2019 12:05:36 +0300, a ecrit: > 1) Assumption that dark themes were meant mostly for low vision is realy > subjective. > Some people use them at night, some just prefer them... This "dark theme" choice has never been meant for general user theme preferences support, but really for accessibility. > 2) It makes Debian installer inconsistent We can't really be consistent, unless we happen to have one choice of desktop which provides good support for all Debian goals. Gnome does not currently provide as seamless accessibility support as MATE does. Samuel
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
I understand that you're trying to care about users. But there's at least 2 arguments againts this decision: 1) Assumption that dark themes were meant mostly for low vision is realy subjective. Some people use them at night, some just prefer them... 2) It makes Debian installer inconsistent On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:28 AM Samuel Thibault wrote: > Control: reassign -1 rootskel > > Steve McIntyre, le sam. 15 juin 2019 19:30:30 +0100, a ecrit: > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 08:12:18PM +0300, Evgen wrote: > > >I chosed Dark theme installer menu > Graphical Install > > > > > >On "Software selection" there were 2 check-boxes: > > >1. on the "Debian desktop environment" > > >2. on the "...MATE" > > > > Odd... There's literally nothing I can see in the config for the dark > > theme menu that would change the default desktop selection. > > This is done in rootskel, see version 1.127. > > It was done on purpose, to automatically install compiz support. The > idea is that we here assume that choosing the dark theme means low > vision, and thus the desire to have good zooming support. > > Samuel >
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
Control: reassign -1 rootskel Steve McIntyre, le sam. 15 juin 2019 19:30:30 +0100, a ecrit: > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 08:12:18PM +0300, Evgen wrote: > >I chosed Dark theme installer menu > Graphical Install > > > >On "Software selection" there were 2 check-boxes: > >1. on the "Debian desktop environment" > >2. on the "...MATE" > > Odd... There's literally nothing I can see in the config for the dark > theme menu that would change the default desktop selection. This is done in rootskel, see version 1.127. It was done on purpose, to automatically install compiz support. The idea is that we here assume that choosing the dark theme means low vision, and thus the desire to have good zooming support. Samuel
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
Hi,
Yevgen wrote:
> Yes, I tried it few times (with the same iso) on VirtualBox 6.06.
> I can try it again but please tell me which ISO should I use.
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 9:31 PM Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 08:12:18PM +0300, Evgen wrote:
> > >Package: debian-installer
> > >Version: 20190410
> > >Severity: important
> > >
> > >Dear Maintainer,
> > >
> > >I tried to install system with firmware-testing-amd64-n
> > >etinst.iso
> > >from unofficial "non-free" weekly cd (2019-06-10 07:12)
> > >I chosed Dark theme installer menu > Graphical Install
> > >
> > >On "Software selection" there were 2 check-boxes:
> > >1. on the "Debian desktop environment"
> > >2. on the "...MATE"
> > >
> > >Old/light Graphical Installer still has checkbox
> > >only on the "Debian desktop environment"
> >
> > Odd... There's literally nothing I can see in the config for the dark
> > theme menu that would change the default desktop selection. For
> > today's build of that image, the isolinux menu is:
> >
> > label installdarkgui
> > default installdarkgui
> > menu label ^Graphical install
> > menu default
> > kernel /install.amd/vmlinuz
> > append vga=788 initrd=/install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz theme=dark ---
> > quiet
> >
> > and the Grub menu entry (used for EFI boot) says:
> >
> > menuentry --hotkey=g '... Graphical install' {
> > set background_color=black
> > linux/install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 theme=dark --- quiet
> > initrd /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz
> > }
> >
> > Can you reliably reproduce what you've seen?
I did a test installation yesterday (my main goal was a different one,
but I watched the tasksel screen too).
I installed with the buster-rc1 netinst CD image, and had the dark theme
enabled.
And default selection was:
On "Software selection" there were 2 check-boxes:
1. on the "Debian desktop environment"
2. on the "...MATE"
So everything fine.
Holger
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Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
Yes, I tried it few times (with the same iso) on VirtualBox 6.06.
I can try it again but please tell me which ISO should I use.
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 9:31 PM Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 08:12:18PM +0300, Evgen wrote:
> >Package: debian-installer
> >Version: 20190410
> >Severity: important
> >
> >Dear Maintainer,
> >
> >I tried to install system with firmware-testing-amd64-n
> >etinst.iso
> >from unofficial "non-free" weekly cd (2019-06-10 07:12)
> >I chosed Dark theme installer menu > Graphical Install
> >
> >On "Software selection" there were 2 check-boxes:
> >1. on the "Debian desktop environment"
> >2. on the "...MATE"
> >
> >Old/light Graphical Installer still has checkbox
> >only on the "Debian desktop environment"
>
> Odd... There's literally nothing I can see in the config for the dark
> theme menu that would change the default desktop selection. For
> today's build of that image, the isolinux menu is:
>
> label installdarkgui
> default installdarkgui
> menu label ^Graphical install
> menu default
> kernel /install.amd/vmlinuz
> append vga=788 initrd=/install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz theme=dark ---
> quiet
>
> and the Grub menu entry (used for EFI boot) says:
>
> menuentry --hotkey=g '... Graphical install' {
> set background_color=black
> linux/install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 theme=dark --- quiet
> initrd /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz
> }
>
> Can you reliably reproduce what you've seen?
>
> --
> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.
> st...@einval.com
> "Managing a volunteer open source project is a lot like herding
> kittens, except the kittens randomly appear and disappear because they
> have day jobs." -- Matt Mackall
>
>
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 08:12:18PM +0300, Evgen wrote:
>Package: debian-installer
>Version: 20190410
>Severity: important
>
>Dear Maintainer,
>
>I tried to install system with firmware-testing-amd64-n
>etinst.iso
>from unofficial "non-free" weekly cd (2019-06-10 07:12)
>I chosed Dark theme installer menu > Graphical Install
>
>On "Software selection" there were 2 check-boxes:
>1. on the "Debian desktop environment"
>2. on the "...MATE"
>
>Old/light Graphical Installer still has checkbox
>only on the "Debian desktop environment"
Odd... There's literally nothing I can see in the config for the dark
theme menu that would change the default desktop selection. For
today's build of that image, the isolinux menu is:
label installdarkgui
default installdarkgui
menu label ^Graphical install
menu default
kernel /install.amd/vmlinuz
append vga=788 initrd=/install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz theme=dark --- quiet
and the Grub menu entry (used for EFI boot) says:
menuentry --hotkey=g '... Graphical install' {
set background_color=black
linux/install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 theme=dark --- quiet
initrd /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz
}
Can you reliably reproduce what you've seen?
--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
"Managing a volunteer open source project is a lot like herding
kittens, except the kittens randomly appear and disappear because they
have day jobs." -- Matt Mackall
Bug#930569: debian-installer: Dark theme installer selects MATE by default
Package: debian-installer Version: 20190410 Severity: important Dear Maintainer, I tried to install system with firmware-testing-amd64-n etinst.iso from unofficial "non-free" weekly cd (2019-06-10 07:12) I chosed Dark theme installer menu > Graphical Install On "Software selection" there were 2 check-boxes: 1. on the "Debian desktop environment" 2. on the "...MATE" Old/light Graphical Installer still has checkbox only on the "Debian desktop environment" -- System Information: Debian Release: 10.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 4.19.0-5-amd64 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE Locale: LANG=uk_UA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=uk_UA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=uk_UA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled -- no debconf information
