Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Ferenc Wágner]

Cyril Brulebois  writes:

> I'm implying that installation images produced by debian-cd (and available
> on cdimage.d.o) should have firmware packages available and ready to deploy,
> and should do that automatically; while netboot images (produced by the
> debian-installer build system) don't, and won't be able to deploy firmware
> packages unless tweaked beforehand via the procedure documented on that
> page.

Yes, that'f perfectly fine.  My question was whether the relavant
firmware packages should be present on the installed system even if the
installer itself did not use/load them.  The netboot installer installs
everything from the network after all, so it could install firmware
packages just as it installs desktop packages for example.  Apparently
it does not, which is fine again, but I wasn't certain of the intent.
-- 
Cheers,
Feri.

Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Cyril Brulebois]

Ferenc Wágner  (2023-05-23):
> Thanks for the pointer.  Are you implying that if some firmware isn't
> loaded during installation, it isn't expected to be present on the
> installed system either?  If so, then it worked for me as intended.
> (Actually, my Ethernet driver also tries to load some Realtek firmware,
> but apparenetly works just fine without it, so I only installed it later
> to reduce warnings from update-initramfs.  The graphics firmware was a
> must for desktop usage, though.)

I'm implying that installation images produced by debian-cd (and available
on cdimage.d.o) should have firmware packages available and ready to deploy,
and should do that automatically; while netboot images (produced by the
debian-installer build system) don't, and won't be able to deploy firmware
packages unless tweaked beforehand via the procedure documented on that
page.

And yes, I'm seeing similar “wanting while not actually needing” things with
some wireless Realtek hardware locally.


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Ferenc Wágner]

Cyril Brulebois  writes:

> Ferenc Wágner  (2023-05-22):
>> Cyril Brulebois  writes:
>> > Which installer did you use?
>> 
>> Its lsb-release says:
>> 
>> DISTRIB_ID=Debian
>> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
>> DISTRIB_RELEASE="12 (bookworm) - installer build 20230401"
>> X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=netboot
>> 
>> so it must have been bookworm RC 1.  The date was 22nd of April.  I
>> started the kernel+initrd.gz from GRUB.
>
> In other words you were also using netboot.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware should have
> details about how to deal with firmware when netbooting. It's been there
> since ~ forever, and has been updated for Bookworm.

Thanks for the pointer.  Are you implying that if some firmware isn't
loaded during installation, it isn't expected to be present on the
installed system either?  If so, then it worked for me as intended.
(Actually, my Ethernet driver also tries to load some Realtek firmware,
but apparenetly works just fine without it, so I only installed it later
to reduce warnings from update-initramfs.  The graphics firmware was a
must for desktop usage, though.)
-- 
Thanks,
Feri.

Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Cyril Brulebois]

Ferenc Wágner  (2023-05-22):
> Cyril Brulebois  writes:
> > Which installer did you use?
> 
> Its lsb-release says:
> 
> DISTRIB_ID=Debian
> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
> DISTRIB_RELEASE="12 (bookworm) - installer build 20230401"
> X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=netboot
> 
> so it must have been bookworm RC 1.  The date was 22nd of April.  I
> started the kernel+initrd.gz from GRUB.

In other words you were also using netboot.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware should have
details about how to deal with firmware when netbooting. It's been there
since ~ forever, and has been updated for Bookworm.


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Keith Proctor]

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> On May 22, 2023, at 12:57 PM, Ferenc Wágner  wrote:
> 
> Cyril Brulebois mailto:k...@debian.org>> writes:
> 
>> Ferenc Wágner mailto:wf...@niif.hu>> (2023-05-22):
>> 
>>> I had a similar experience with a desktop system containing a Radeon
>>> RX470 graphics card.  The text-based installation went all right and
>>> then even the Gnome desktop opened after reboot, but it ran in a
>>> low-resolution mode until I manually installed firmware-amd-graphics
>>> (the non-free-firmware archive component was already enabled).
>>> 
>>> Is this the intended behaviour?
>> 
>> Which installer did you use?
> 
> Its lsb-release says:
> 
> DISTRIB_ID=Debian
> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
> DISTRIB_RELEASE="12 (bookworm) - installer build 20230401"
> X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=netboot
> 
> so it must have been bookworm RC 1.  The date was 22nd of April.  I
> started the kernel+initrd.gz from GRUB.
> -- 
> Feri.

Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Ferenc Wágner]

Cyril Brulebois  writes:

> Ferenc Wágner  (2023-05-22):
>
>> I had a similar experience with a desktop system containing a Radeon
>> RX470 graphics card.  The text-based installation went all right and
>> then even the Gnome desktop opened after reboot, but it ran in a
>> low-resolution mode until I manually installed firmware-amd-graphics
>> (the non-free-firmware archive component was already enabled).
>> 
>> Is this the intended behaviour?
>
> Which installer did you use?

Its lsb-release says:

DISTRIB_ID=Debian
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
DISTRIB_RELEASE="12 (bookworm) - installer build 20230401"
X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=netboot

so it must have been bookworm RC 1.  The date was 22nd of April.  I
started the kernel+initrd.gz from GRUB.
-- 
Feri.

Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Cyril Brulebois]

Ferenc Wágner  (2023-05-22):
> I had a similar experience with a desktop system containing a Radeon
> RX470 graphics card.  The text-based installation went all right and
> then even the Gnome desktop opened after reboot, but it ran in a
> low-resolution mode until I manually installed firmware-amd-graphics
> (the non-free-firmware archive component was already enabled).
> 
> Is this the intended behaviour?

Which installer did you use?


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Bug#1034041: Should firmware-amd-graphics be automatically installed?

[Ferenc Wágner]

Hi,

I had a similar experience with a desktop system containing a Radeon
RX470 graphics card.  The text-based installation went all right and
then even the Gnome desktop opened after reboot, but it ran in a
low-resolution mode until I manually installed firmware-amd-graphics
(the non-free-firmware archive component was already enabled).

Is this the intended behaviour?
-- 
Thanks,
Feri.