Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Johan Walles
Hi Nico! Let's keep debian-security in the discussion to see what others have to say about this. Technically I agree with you when you say that people shouldn't enter anything but their usernames at the login prompt, but the fact is that people (like me and the bug submitter for example) *do*

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Johan Walles wrote: Hi Nico! Let's keep debian-security in the discussion to see what others have to say about this. Technically I agree with you when you say that people shouldn't enter anything but their usernames at the login prompt, but the fact is that people (like me and the bug

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hi Johan, * Johan Walles [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-28 11:46]: Let's keep debian-security in the discussion to see what others have to say about this. Technically I agree with you when you say that people shouldn't enter anything but their usernames at the login prompt, but the fact is that

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Johan Walles
2008/8/28 Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Johan Walles wrote: Security shouldn't be based on nobody ever doing more or less common mistakes. auth.log was invented for this reason, and separated to standard log: it should be readable only by root, because users do errors. It's

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Nico Golde
Hi Johan, * Johan Walles [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-28 13:14]: 2008/8/28 Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] So auth.log should log usernames, so that users don't do wrong assumption that password are not accessible by root! I can see a point in logging *valid* usernames.

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:05:19PM +0200, Johan Walles wrote: 2008/8/28 Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: auth.log was invented for this reason, and separated to standard log: it should be readable only by root, because users do errors. It's readable by anybody with physical access

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Mark Brown wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:05:19PM +0200, Johan Walles wrote: 2008/8/28 Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: auth.log was invented for this reason, and separated to standard log: it should be readable only by root, because users do errors. It's readable by anybody

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2008-08-28 13:05, Johan Walles wrote: It's readable by anybody with physical access to the hardware. If their have physical access to the hardware, auth.log would be my least worry. That doesn't mean Debian should *help* root doing that in a default install. Security by default, anybody?

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread ,,,
Excuse me, but this is very simple thing, this is not big philosophical problem. The software has ability to log login+password for troubleshooting, which is great (users ALWAYS claim that they are writting their password correctly, so this is nice to have). Since it's not enabled by default,

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 08:37:07PM +0200, ,,, wrote: Excuse me, but this is very simple thing, this is not big philosophical problem. The software has ability to log login+password for troubleshooting, which is great (users ALWAYS claim that they are writting their password correctly, so

Bug#124294: Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:41AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: auth.log was invented for this reason, and separated to standard log: it should be readable only by root, Then there is a bug in another package if this is what should be, because /var/log/auth.log is readable by group adm on

Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Simon Valiquette
Nico Golde un jour écrivit: Hi Johan, * Johan Walles [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-28 13:14]: 2008/8/28 Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] So auth.log should log usernames, so that users don't do wrong assumption that password are not accessible by root! I can see a point in logging

Bug#124294: Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Mark van Walraven
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 02:37:37PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:41AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: auth.log was invented for this reason, and separated to standard log: it should be readable only by root, Then there is a bug in another package if this is

Bug#124294: Bug#311772: Fwd: Password leaks are security holes

2008-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 02:37:37PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:41AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: auth.log was invented for this reason, and separated to standard log: it should be readable only by root, Then there is a bug in another package if this is