Bug#370098: Choice of default browser for etch
Steve Langasek: On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:59:20AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: (The fact that the desktop task keeps breaking during the freeze is not making me very happy, BTW.) Do you have any insight into what's been breaking it? If the release team is doing something wrong here, I'd like to know what it is so we can do better. AFAICT, it broke when firefox-gnome-support was added to the gnome-desktop task. Maybe nobody noticed until now. -- Pelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#370098: Choice of default browser for etch
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:59:20AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: (The fact that the desktop task keeps breaking during the freeze is not making me very happy, BTW.) Do you have any insight into what's been breaking it? If the release team is doing something wrong here, I'd like to know what it is so we can do better. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#370098: Choice of default browser for etch
reassign 370098 tasksel stop Hi, I'm reassigning #370098 to tasksel for discussion of the default browser in the default desktop task (GNOME). #370098 has some small discussions on the topic, but the problems in gnome-desktop-environment have been addressed (the package depends on epiphany-browser (= 2.14.2.1) | gnome-www-browser which will pull epiphany-browser unless one of galeon or iceweasel-gnome-support has been selected already). I think the current Depends are ok. There's a small thread on the subject which initiated this discussion on debian-devel@: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/threads.html#00448 The current situation is problematic for two reasons: - a lot of people think that epiphany should be installed by default and the default browser - the default gnome-panel and preferred applications reference epiphany which currently doesn't get installed I followed the debate on firefox versus epiphany on the Ubuntu lists, and I think the biggest arguments back then were the number of features Firefox had that Epiphany lacked and the name Firefox being popular. Today, I think these arguments need to be revisited as Epiphany gained features and plenty of plugins, and Firefox was renamed to IceWeasel. I don't know who and how we will decide what the default browser will be (a poll? :), but my order of preference for installed browsers in default installs would be: 1) epiphany + iceweasel 2) epiphany 3) iceweasel I deliberately list two browsers as my first choice, but I don't actually use any of the two: I use Galeon. :) I do think Epiphany makes sense as the default browser, but IceWeasel should be easily accessible for people used to Firefox. Once this is decided and implemented, we probably will have to update the default gnome-panel layout (to list firefox or to unlist epiphany), and/or the default browser. Please clone this bug once tasksel has been updated with the final decision. As a related technical implementation note, the default browser could be sensible-browser would the patch in #351901 be applied (will soon hit its first anniversary!). Or we could move to gnome-www-browser, but I prefer the former. Bye, -- Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#370098: Choice of default browser for etch
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 12:20:09PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: I don't know who and how we will decide what the default browser will be I would assume the GNOME team to decide on the defaut GNOME browser and the KDE team to decide on the default KDE browser; and maybe somebody else on some other browser if neither the GNOME nor KDE tasks are selected by the user. The GNOME seems to prefer epiphany. Michael
Bug#370098: Choice of default browser for etch
Well ... in one word: epiphany. Why? - integrated with gnome. - faster - simple - People will use it like they use firefox, because it's behavior is the same. - users who wish firefox/iceweasel can install it also. - the patch available (from the BR) seems to make sense. firefox/iceweasel is a browser designed for other systems than *nix, not using the shared libraries available. Therefor, it is slow and a dead weight. Epiphany is well integrated with gnome and, has a gnome user, is should be the default. epiphany does not have the support for extensions, but it is better not to have extensions than provide a slow browser to the users. Users who wish can easily install iceweasel-gnome-support. Ter, 2007-01-16 às 12:20 +0100, Loïc Minier escreveu: reassign 370098 tasksel stop Hi, I'm reassigning #370098 to tasksel for discussion of the default browser in the default desktop task (GNOME). #370098 has some small discussions on the topic, but the problems in gnome-desktop-environment have been addressed (the package depends on epiphany-browser (= 2.14.2.1) | gnome-www-browser which will pull epiphany-browser unless one of galeon or iceweasel-gnome-support has been selected already). I think the current Depends are ok. There's a small thread on the subject which initiated this discussion on debian-devel@: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/threads.html#00448 The current situation is problematic for two reasons: - a lot of people think that epiphany should be installed by default and the default browser - the default gnome-panel and preferred applications reference epiphany which currently doesn't get installed I followed the debate on firefox versus epiphany on the Ubuntu lists, and I think the biggest arguments back then were the number of features Firefox had that Epiphany lacked and the name Firefox being popular. Today, I think these arguments need to be revisited as Epiphany gained features and plenty of plugins, and Firefox was renamed to IceWeasel. I don't know who and how we will decide what the default browser will be (a poll? :), but my order of preference for installed browsers in default installs would be: 1) epiphany + iceweasel 2) epiphany 3) iceweasel I deliberately list two browsers as my first choice, but I don't actually use any of the two: I use Galeon. :) I do think Epiphany makes sense as the default browser, but IceWeasel should be easily accessible for people used to Firefox. Once this is decided and implemented, we probably will have to update the default gnome-panel layout (to list firefox or to unlist epiphany), and/or the default browser. Please clone this bug once tasksel has been updated with the final decision. As a related technical implementation note, the default browser could be sensible-browser would the patch in #351901 be applied (will soon hit its first anniversary!). Or we could move to gnome-www-browser, but I prefer the former. Bye, -- Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#370098: Choice of default browser for etch
Loïc Minier wrote: There's a small thread on the subject which initiated this discussion on debian-devel@: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/threads.html#00448 The current situation is problematic for two reasons: - a lot of people think that epiphany should be installed by default and the default browser - the default gnome-panel and preferred applications reference epiphany which currently doesn't get installed It's never been the intention not to install epiphany. If this is broken, it will be fixed ASAP. And gnome should use its standard browser as the default in Debian. (The fact that the desktop task keeps breaking during the freeze is not making me very happy, BTW.) I deliberately list two browsers as my first choice, but I don't actually use any of the two: I use Galeon. :) I do think Epiphany makes sense as the default browser, but IceWeasel should be easily accessible for people used to Firefox. The intention of installing firefox has always been that, since 90% of the even semi-technical users out there know about firefox and it's currently extremely popular, users will be pleased to see it available on their their desktop. I am so far unsure if this applies once it's been renamed to a name that many users will be unfamiliar with, but until I get feedback from users, I won't know. (I have no feedback yet, since firefox is still in etch, and iceweasel is not yet in etch.) -- see shy jo, currently an epiphany user FWIW signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#370098: Choice of default browser for etch
It's never been the intention not to install epiphany. If this is broken, it will be fixed ASAP. And gnome should use its standard browser as the default in Debian. Seconded. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
