Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Robert, Thanks a lot for your response. And, yes, your bug report is important to me. ;-) I've gone back now to the usefulFiles.tar.bz2 file you sent through on 14 Aug 06. /UsefulFiles/MySystem/bootupMessages says you are running your custom kernel on your system. It is really important that you run the stock Debian kernel while you are doing a mondoarchive run. We really need to minimise the differences between the normal and the restore environment and make everything as close to standard as possible. Secondly, /UsefulFiles/Mondo/2.6.16-2-686-smp/bootup.messages starts midway through which is because the kernel ring buffer is too small to hold all the info. It would be great if you could proceed as described here: http://www.mondorescue.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/AndreesStuff - at the bottom under 'Getting the entire kernel log on restore media'. If you were in a position to rerun with the above two changes, i.e. use stock Debian kernel whilst using mondoarchive and read entire kernel ring buffer whilst restoring, and send your helpful files again, that would be really great. Other than that, you could indeed try to change all references from sda to hda in your mountlist for the restore and then answer no at the end when the system asks you whether you changed the mountlist. Best regards, Andree PS: It would be great if you could always cc the bug under [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that we have all information captured in Debian's bug tracking system. On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 18:05 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Hi Andree. I executed both suggestions you gave me and unfortunately neither of them worked. I am curious about something, though. I noticed that in the interactive restoration process, you have the option of modifying the partition list (i.e.---by changing the mount location, the device to map a certain device to, the size of the new partition, etc.). How would changing the mountpoint of a certain partition from an IDE disk to a SCSI disk affect the restore? This might be a way to work around this bug until the bug is caught and exterminated. I'm sorry if my language seems a bit inaccurate and confusing, but I am still getting over a bug myself (albeit a different kind of bug). Please let me know if I can be of any further help in tracking this bug down. On Thursday 28 September 2006 07:15, you wrote: Hi Jeffrey, I was just wondering whether you may have had a chance to try any of my suggestions. It would be great if we could move forward with this bug, particularly because I'd like to have things cleaned up for the etch freeze which is coming up soon. Thanks a lot best regards, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost @ Debian Developer Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Jeffrey, I was just wondering whether you may have had a chance to try any of my suggestions. It would be great if we could move forward with this bug, particularly because I'd like to have things cleaned up for the etch freeze which is coming up soon. Thanks a lot best regards, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost @ Debian Developer Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Jeffrey, I had just another idea occurring to me: Could you provide the following kernel boot prompt parameter when restoring: hda=noprobe so, for example: nuke hda=noprobe This might make it so that the IDE subsystem ignores your disk and the sata driver get a chance to pick it up (and make it /dev/sda). Would be great if you could let me know how you go (also with the other suggestions I made before - not that I would want to put pressure on you ;-) ). Cheers, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Robert, Thank you for the update and for running things with a stock kernel! It would be great if for all future tests you could keep using that kernel. Now the next step: Looking at bootupMessages makes me wonder whether this is an issue related to the order in which modules are loaded when the rescue kernel boots. Therefore, in /usr/sbin/mindi, could you find the first appearance of IDE_MODS and change it to: IDE_MODS=libata ata_piix ide ide-generic ide-detect ide-mod ide-disk ide-cd ide_cd ide-cs ide-core ide_core edd paride and do another run? (This would basically make it so that libata and ata_piix would get loaded first.) Cheers, Andree On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 22:02 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Hi Andree. I ran mondoarcive with the latest stock version of debian 2.6.16-smp (I think that it is 2.6.16-2-686-smp) and it still persisted in detecting my SATA drives as IDEs. Attached is a tarball containing various useful files that should help you further diagnose the problem. The information includes: -- the results of running fdisk -l on both /dev/hda and /dev/sda -- a copy of /var/log/messages -- a copy of /var/log/mondo-archive.log -- the result of running 'uname -r' -- a copy of the bootup messages (dmesg) The information is separated into to different folders: the information for Mondo and the information for my system (running 2.6.17, though the results shouldn't vary too greatly for any 2.6.17 kernel). On Monday 14 August 2006 02:46, you wrote: Hi Robert, No worries! Could you try with the latest stock Debian 2.6.16 kernel? You can use optimised for your system, i.e. i686 and SMP at your convenience. (I am having issues with 2.6.17 and NFS because mkisofs hangs, don't know whether there are other problems, that's why I suggest to stick with 2.6.16.) Cheers, Andree On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 22:22 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Sorry about being so slow about responding to your email. I'll go ahead and try using a standardized debian kernel. Could you tell me what kernel you used? That would be of much help to me. Thanks in advance. On Sunday 13 August 2006 05:42, you wrote: Hi Robert, I've bought a pair of SATA disks and done some testing using the onboard Via SATA controller on my ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard using an amd64 etch system running kernel 2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp (2.6.16-17). The result is that things worked fine for the restore, the disk was recognised correctly as sda. Which brings me back to my earlier point about the self-compiled kernel. Could you try a stock Debian kernel and run with this? Cheers, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Robert, No worries! Could you try with the latest stock Debian 2.6.16 kernel? You can use optimised for your system, i.e. i686 and SMP at your convenience. (I am having issues with 2.6.17 and NFS because mkisofs hangs, don't know whether there are other problems, that's why I suggest to stick with 2.6.16.) Cheers, Andree On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 22:22 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Sorry about being so slow about responding to your email. I'll go ahead and try using a standardized debian kernel. Could you tell me what kernel you used? That would be of much help to me. Thanks in advance. On Sunday 13 August 2006 05:42, you wrote: Hi Robert, I've bought a pair of SATA disks and done some testing using the onboard Via SATA controller on my ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard using an amd64 etch system running kernel 2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp (2.6.16-17). The result is that things worked fine for the restore, the disk was recognised correctly as sda. Which brings me back to my earlier point about the self-compiled kernel. Could you try a stock Debian kernel and run with this? Cheers, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Andree. I ran mondoarcive with the latest stock version of debian 2.6.16-smp (I think that it is 2.6.16-2-686-smp) and it still persisted in detecting my SATA drives as IDEs. Attached is a tarball containing various useful files that should help you further diagnose the problem. The information includes: -- the results of running fdisk -l on both /dev/hda and /dev/sda -- a copy of /var/log/messages -- a copy of /var/log/mondo-archive.log -- the result of running 'uname -r' -- a copy of the bootup messages (dmesg) The information is separated into to different folders: the information for Mondo and the information for my system (running 2.6.17, though the results shouldn't vary too greatly for any 2.6.17 kernel). On Monday 14 August 2006 02:46, you wrote: Hi Robert, No worries! Could you try with the latest stock Debian 2.6.16 kernel? You can use optimised for your system, i.e. i686 and SMP at your convenience. (I am having issues with 2.6.17 and NFS because mkisofs hangs, don't know whether there are other problems, that's why I suggest to stick with 2.6.16.) Cheers, Andree On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 22:22 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Sorry about being so slow about responding to your email. I'll go ahead and try using a standardized debian kernel. Could you tell me what kernel you used? That would be of much help to me. Thanks in advance. On Sunday 13 August 2006 05:42, you wrote: Hi Robert, I've bought a pair of SATA disks and done some testing using the onboard Via SATA controller on my ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard using an amd64 etch system running kernel 2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp (2.6.16-17). The result is that things worked fine for the restore, the disk was recognised correctly as sda. Which brings me back to my earlier point about the self-compiled kernel. Could you try a stock Debian kernel and run with this? Cheers, Andree -- Robert Miesen usefulFiles.tar.bz2 Description: application/tbz
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Robert, I've bought a pair of SATA disks and done some testing using the onboard Via SATA controller on my ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard using an amd64 etch system running kernel 2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp (2.6.16-17). The result is that things worked fine for the restore, the disk was recognised correctly as sda. Which brings me back to my earlier point about the self-compiled kernel. Could you try a stock Debian kernel and run with this? Cheers, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Robert, Thanks a lot for your extensive response! From the fdisk* files you sent I'm now convinced that indeed your SATA harddisk is recognised as a PATA disk in the restore system. Weird. (So no need for a photo of the screen.) I do not understand why MainSystemFiles/kernel-mainSystem says '2.6.17'. Can you explain? Why is it that you use a custom kernel? What's the issue with standard kernels on your system (it's a laptop, right)? What happens if you boot your normal system into say the kernel image in package linux-image-2.6.16-2-486 (2.6.16-17)? Does this work? If so, could you run mondoarchive with this kernel running and try to restore from the rescue media created in that run? If not, what is the problem? Also, looking at your lsmod output, I am wondering whether changing the order in which IDE modules are loaded makes a difference. Therefore, in /usr/sbin/mindi, could you find the first appearance of IDE_MODS and change it to: IDE_MODS=libata ata_piix ide ide-generic ide-detect ide-mod ide-disk ide-cd ide_cd ide-cs ide-core ide_core edd paride and try your original run again? Finally, would you be able to send me a diff of the original kernel .config before you modified it and the modified one? (Or just send the original .config as I have the modified one laready and can diff myself.) Best regards thanks for your help in trying to track this one down! Andree On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:12 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: On Tuesday 01 August 2006 15:00, you wrote: Hi Robert, Thank you for reporting this bug. On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 18:02 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Package: mondo Version: 2.08-2-3 Severity: critical Justification: breaks the whole system I am afraid that this is not a critical bug. Rather it is an important bug as it makes mondo completely unusable for some people, i.e. you in this case, but it certainly doesn't effect your _running_ system at all. (I have just completed a full archive and restore run using a PATA-only setup with no problem to confirm that their is no general problem.) OK, I understand your reasoning. Thank you for clarifying to me the nature of critical bugs. Upon booting from a DVD image of my entire system, mondo/mindi detects my SATA (Serial ATA) hard disk as an IDE drive. (I do not currently have a SATA disk unfortunately, so I can't try this myself at the moment.) Am I getting this right that you are saying that your SATA disk which is sda in your system appears as hda when restoring to that very same system? Yes, you are correctly understanding me. Could you describe how you perform the restore? This would include any changes that you make to the hardware like replacing or turning-off disks and such. Also, could you take a photo of the monitor to illustrate the problem. This is roughly how I do a restore on my new system: 1. Boot up computer from internal DVD drive. 2. Type in interactive from the command prompt and wait for Mindi to boot up. 3. Select the Interactively option at the first curses prompt. 4. Select the DVD Disks option at the second curses prompt. 5. Verify that the mountlist is to my liking (I usually end up deleting sdb and sdc from this list, since they are jump disks and I don't restore jump disks). 6. Rip my hair out when I find that Mondo/Mindi detected my SATA as hda instead of sda. 7. Eject disk, reboot system. I don't turn off any hardware, though I have an external cdrom listed in /etc/fstab which I leave disconnected from my system when doing restores (this external DVD burner is detected as /dev/scd0 or /dev/scd1 device, depending on the state of /dev/ at the time of mounting. I don't know how to take screenshots of the screen while in Mindi, so I cannot include a picture to illustrate the problem (and I also lack a digital camera as well). Further to that, could you boot into expert mode by entering 'expert' at the rescue media boot prompt and hitting enter. Once the system has booted could you do: fdisk -l /dev/hda and fdisk -l /dev/sda and send post the output. Could you do the same in your normal system? Done. See the tarred and bzipped file attached to this email and check the appropriately named folders for the information you are looking for. Let me know if for some reason my naming scheme is less intuitive than I think it is and you need help deciphering it. If you have sda as your disk, then hda would quite likely be your optical drive (maybe in your case your DVD writer). Actually, in this case my DVD writer is detected as hdc (it should have been detected as scd0, since it too is a serial device of some sort). Maybe what really happens is that the SATA disk is not recognised at all and hda is the optical drive. My hard disk is detected as hda. See the output for fdisk -l /dev/hda for mondo
Bug#380703: Fwd: Re: Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE. Date: Thursday 03 August 2006 11:19 From: Robert Jeffrey Miesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bruno Cornec [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 01 August 2006 16:40, you wrote: Andree Leidenfrost said on Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:00:47AM +1000: Upon booting from a DVD image of my entire system, mondo/mindi detects my SATA (Serial ATA) hard disk as an IDE drive. Without any log file, I have problems understanding that. Please Could you provide /tmp/mondo-restore.log when restoring, as well as /var/log/mondo-archive.log when backuping to help in diags. Sure. They are attached to this email. Do you mean that your sda (if that's the way your SATA drive is seen) is now seen as hda ? Yes. When I boot my main system, my SATA is detected as a serial device (designated by the sd prefix) and when I boot Mondo/Mindi, my SATA is detected as an IDE (designated by the hd prefix). This makes my backup virtually worthless in the event of a catastrophic failure of my system (whether from me messing it up or my hard disk failing). That is why I called this bug a critical bug, because it does break the whole system when you can't restore your system. Well afio format is ALWAYS readable, if you need access to your data. Bruno. --- -- === Robert Miesen mondo-restore.log.bz2 Description: BZip2 compressed data mondo-archive.log.bz2 Description: BZip2 compressed data
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 15:00, you wrote: Hi Robert, Thank you for reporting this bug. On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 18:02 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Package: mondo Version: 2.08-2-3 Severity: critical Justification: breaks the whole system I am afraid that this is not a critical bug. Rather it is an important bug as it makes mondo completely unusable for some people, i.e. you in this case, but it certainly doesn't effect your _running_ system at all. (I have just completed a full archive and restore run using a PATA-only setup with no problem to confirm that their is no general problem.) OK, I understand your reasoning. Thank you for clarifying to me the nature of critical bugs. Upon booting from a DVD image of my entire system, mondo/mindi detects my SATA (Serial ATA) hard disk as an IDE drive. (I do not currently have a SATA disk unfortunately, so I can't try this myself at the moment.) Am I getting this right that you are saying that your SATA disk which is sda in your system appears as hda when restoring to that very same system? Yes, you are correctly understanding me. Could you describe how you perform the restore? This would include any changes that you make to the hardware like replacing or turning-off disks and such. Also, could you take a photo of the monitor to illustrate the problem. This is roughly how I do a restore on my new system: 1. Boot up computer from internal DVD drive. 2. Type in interactive from the command prompt and wait for Mindi to boot up. 3. Select the Interactively option at the first curses prompt. 4. Select the DVD Disks option at the second curses prompt. 5. Verify that the mountlist is to my liking (I usually end up deleting sdb and sdc from this list, since they are jump disks and I don't restore jump disks). 6. Rip my hair out when I find that Mondo/Mindi detected my SATA as hda instead of sda. 7. Eject disk, reboot system. I don't turn off any hardware, though I have an external cdrom listed in /etc/fstab which I leave disconnected from my system when doing restores (this external DVD burner is detected as /dev/scd0 or /dev/scd1 device, depending on the state of /dev/ at the time of mounting. I don't know how to take screenshots of the screen while in Mindi, so I cannot include a picture to illustrate the problem (and I also lack a digital camera as well). Further to that, could you boot into expert mode by entering 'expert' at the rescue media boot prompt and hitting enter. Once the system has booted could you do: fdisk -l /dev/hda and fdisk -l /dev/sda and send post the output. Could you do the same in your normal system? Done. See the tarred and bzipped file attached to this email and check the appropriately named folders for the information you are looking for. Let me know if for some reason my naming scheme is less intuitive than I think it is and you need help deciphering it. If you have sda as your disk, then hda would quite likely be your optical drive (maybe in your case your DVD writer). Actually, in this case my DVD writer is detected as hdc (it should have been detected as scd0, since it too is a serial device of some sort). Maybe what really happens is that the SATA disk is not recognised at all and hda is the optical drive. My hard disk is detected as hda. See the output for fdisk -l /dev/hda for mondo and compare that to the output for fdisk -l /dev/sda on my system to see what I mean. Again, my DVD writer is detected as hdc (I checked /tmp/CDROM-LIVES-HERE and found that out in Mindi). Again, it would be helpful to understand better how you are restoring. As an example you wouldn't just overwrite your SATA disk I presume. So, do you change disks or do you turn them off? (It's that sort of things that I really need to understand better.) Well, it depends on what the situation is. If my system gets completely hosed, then I will likely just overwrite my SATA disk by typing in the magical nuke option at the Mondo/Mindi boot prompt and watch my system come back to life (I hope). The only disks I turn off are my external DVD writer and my jump disks, since none of them are backed up. Could you also send me the output of lsmod when in your normal system and when booted into the restore system in expert mode as described above. Done. See the tarred and bzipped file attached to this email and check the appropriately named folders for the information you are looking for. Let me know if for some reason my naming scheme is less intuitive than I think it is and you need help deciphering it. This makes my backup virtually worthless in the event of a catastrophic failure of my system (whether from me messing it up or my hard disk failing). That is why I called this bug a critical bug, because it does break the whole system when you can't restore your system. Please see the top of my response. I can understand
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Bruno, Thanks a lot for looking into this! On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 01:40 +0200, Bruno Cornec wrote: Andree Leidenfrost said on Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:00:47AM +1000: Upon booting from a DVD image of my entire system, mondo/mindi detects my SATA (Serial ATA) hard disk as an IDE drive. Without any log file, I have problems understanding that. Please Could you provide /tmp/mondo-restore.log when restoring, as well as /var/log/mondo-archive.log when backuping to help in diags. Note that the original message has the mondo-archive.log and mindi.log inline: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=380703 I couldn't find anything suspicious - maybe you can. mondo-restore.log would certainly be good, though. Do you mean that your sda (if that's the way your SATA drive is seen) is now seen as hda ? This makes my backup virtually worthless in the event of a catastrophic failure of my system (whether from me messing it up or my hard disk failing). That is why I called this bug a critical bug, because it does break the whole system when you can't restore your system. Well afio format is ALWAYS readable, if you need access to your data. Bruno. Cheers, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost @ Debian Developer Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Andree Leidenfrost said on Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:58:06PM +1000: Note that the original message has the mondo-archive.log and mindi.log inline: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=380703 Yes sorry. Mistake on my side. I couldn't find anything suspicious - maybe you can. Well, I don't think we have a full system backup here with the options used. That may be a problem. But without knowing what is tried during restore (screenshot and logfile) I can't comment more. mondo-restore.log would certainly be good, though. Indeed. Bruno. -- Linux Profession Lead EMEA / Open Source Evangelist \HP CI EMEA IET http://www.mondorescue.org / HP/Intel Solution Center \ http://hpintelco.net Des infos sur Linux? http://www.HyPer-Linux.org http://www.hp.com/linux La musique ancienne? http://www.musique-ancienne.org http://www.medieval.org pgpg5i2iKVYaT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Hi Robert, Thank you for reporting this bug. On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 18:02 -0700, Robert Jeffrey Miesen wrote: Package: mondo Version: 2.08-2-3 Severity: critical Justification: breaks the whole system I am afraid that this is not a critical bug. Rather it is an important bug as it makes mondo completely unusable for some people, i.e. you in this case, but it certainly doesn't effect your _running_ system at all. (I have just completed a full archive and restore run using a PATA-only setup with no problem to confirm that their is no general problem.) Upon booting from a DVD image of my entire system, mondo/mindi detects my SATA (Serial ATA) hard disk as an IDE drive. (I do not currently have a SATA disk unfortunately, so I can't try this myself at the moment.) Am I getting this right that you are saying that your SATA disk which is sda in your system appears as hda when restoring to that very same system? Could you describe how you perform the restore? This would include any changes that you make to the hardware like replacing or turning-off disks and such. Also, could you take a photo of the monitor to illustrate the problem. Further to that, could you boot into expert mode by entering 'expert' at the rescue media boot prompt and hitting enter. Once the system has booted could you do: fdisk -l /dev/hda and fdisk -l /dev/sda and send post the output. Could you do the same in your normal system? If you have sda as your disk, then hda would quite likely be your optical drive (maybe in your case your DVD writer). Maybe what really happens is that the SATA disk is not recognised at all and hda is the optical drive. Again, it would be helpful to understand better how you are restoring. As an example you wouldn't just overwrite your SATA disk I presume. So, do you change disks or do you turn them off? (It's that sort of things that I really need to understand better.) Could you also send me the output of lsmod when in your normal system and when booted into the restore system in expert mode as described above. This makes my backup virtually worthless in the event of a catastrophic failure of my system (whether from me messing it up or my hard disk failing). That is why I called this bug a critical bug, because it does break the whole system when you can't restore your system. Please see the top of my response. I can understand that you consider this serious and for you it likely is. For Debian as a whole, however, it is not. Note that this does not influence my commitment to fixing the problem - I do definitely find this important. If there is anything else that you can think of that could be related, please mention it! The more information we have the more likely we can fix this. Best regards, Andree -- Andree Leidenfrost @ Debian Developer Sydney - Australia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#380703: mondo: Mondo/Mindi detects my serial ATA hard disk as an IDE.
Andree Leidenfrost said on Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:00:47AM +1000: Upon booting from a DVD image of my entire system, mondo/mindi detects my SATA (Serial ATA) hard disk as an IDE drive. Without any log file, I have problems understanding that. Please Could you provide /tmp/mondo-restore.log when restoring, as well as /var/log/mondo-archive.log when backuping to help in diags. Do you mean that your sda (if that's the way your SATA drive is seen) is now seen as hda ? This makes my backup virtually worthless in the event of a catastrophic failure of my system (whether from me messing it up or my hard disk failing). That is why I called this bug a critical bug, because it does break the whole system when you can't restore your system. Well afio format is ALWAYS readable, if you need access to your data. Bruno. -- Linux Profession Lead EMEA / Open Source Evangelist \HP CI EMEA IET http://www.mondorescue.org / HP/Intel Solution Center \ http://hpintelco.net Des infos sur Linux? http://www.HyPer-Linux.org http://www.hp.com/linux La musique ancienne? http://www.musique-ancienne.org http://www.medieval.org pgpKrB3kFcGy5.pgp Description: PGP signature
