Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-30 Thread Andreas Tille

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Uwe Steinmann wrote:


I built a new debian package from zms 2.9.2, which was quite simple,


This sounds like a reasonable contribution.  Any URL?  Did you
make use of zope-debhelper or just recompiling the new tarball
with the stuff inside the debian directory?
BTW, I would be more than happy if somebody would take over zope-zms
because I do not use it any more.


but I'm simply too unfamiliar with zope and its intances to make it
work on zope3.
Would be great if you could create a new package for zope3.


I think this question was just answered.  The first step would be to
ask upstream to port ZMS to Zope 3.  BTW, what new features do you expect
from ZMS if you install it into Zope 3?


I wouldn't mind to help where I can.


Great and thanks

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-30 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Il giorno mer, 30/08/2006 alle 08.51 +0200, Uwe Steinmann ha scritto:
  BTW, I would be more than happy if somebody would take over zope-zms
  because I do not use it any more.
 I thought so, but I cannot honestly offer to take it over, because
 my knowledge of zope is rather weak. Let me try to get a recent
 version of zms packaged. If I do not run into major problems I'll
 rethink it.

Hi Uwe,

  I can offer all the help you need with zope packaging both via email
and via IRC. I really care about zope packages in Debian, but I do not
use zms so I can't adopt it. If you use it and you have enough time to
package new upstream releases and to care of bug reports, I would be
glad if you could help us to improve the packaging.

Thanks,

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-30 Thread Uwe Steinmann
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:30:12AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
 On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Uwe Steinmann wrote:
 
 I built a new debian package from zms 2.9.2, which was quite simple,
 
 This sounds like a reasonable contribution.  Any URL?  Did you
 make use of zope-debhelper or just recompiling the new tarball
 with the stuff inside the debian directory?
I just used the existing debian directory. zope-debhelper maybe
the next step.

 BTW, I would be more than happy if somebody would take over zope-zms
 because I do not use it any more.
I thought so, but I cannot honestly offer to take it over, because
my knowledge of zope is rather weak. Let me try to get a recent
version of zms packaged. If I do not run into major problems I'll
rethink it.

 but I'm simply too unfamiliar with zope and its intances to make it
 work on zope3.
 Would be great if you could create a new package for zope3.
 
 I think this question was just answered.  The first step would be to
 ask upstream to port ZMS to Zope 3.  BTW, what new features do you expect
 from ZMS if you install it into Zope 3?
Nothing particular. I just thought that doing it for zope3 in the first
place may be better than creating packages for *old* zope2. I wasn't
aware of how different zope2 and zope3 are. I'll stick with zope2
since its far from being abandoned.
I'll try to create a package for zope2, if you don't mind.

  Uwe

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-30 Thread Andreas Tille

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Uwe Steinmann wrote:


This sounds like a reasonable contribution.  Any URL?  Did you
make use of zope-debhelper or just recompiling the new tarball
with the stuff inside the debian directory?

I just used the existing debian directory. zope-debhelper maybe
the next step.


I would not really upload a zope-zms package without switching to
zope-debhelper.  The old packaging method will lead into trouble
with different Zope 2.x versions and should definitely be avoided.


I thought so, but I cannot honestly offer to take it over, because
my knowledge of zope is rather weak. Let me try to get a recent
version of zms packaged. If I do not run into major problems I'll
rethink it.


OK.  Just tell me if there is something to look at or in case of
trouble.  You should probably send your information to
Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
where I subscribed and also people with much more Zope experience
lurking around.


I'll try to create a package for zope2, if you don't mind.


I would be more than happy if you would proceed.

Kind regards

 Andreas.

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-29 Thread Andreas Tille

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Uwe Steinmann wrote:


Upstream is already at version 2.9. Is there any reason to keep zms
at 2.3.2?


The reason is quite simple: Real live issues kept me away from those
packages I regarded not that important.  Your request shows that
it has some importance and I hope to get a new package out in about
two weeks.  It was on my agenda anyway.

Sorry for the lazyness

 Andreas.

PS: Because I stopped using ZMS personally it might be reasonable
to bother me from time to time with new upstream versions because
I stopped tracking upstream versions actively.  The alternative
for me would be to orphan the package completely.

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-29 Thread Uwe Steinmann
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 02:48:56PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
 On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Uwe Steinmann wrote:
 
 Upstream is already at version 2.9. Is there any reason to keep zms
 at 2.3.2?
 
 The reason is quite simple: Real live issues kept me away from those
 packages I regarded not that important.  Your request shows that
 it has some importance and I hope to get a new package out in about
 two weeks.  It was on my agenda anyway.
 
 Sorry for the lazyness
 
  Andreas.
 
 PS: Because I stopped using ZMS personally it might be reasonable
 to bother me from time to time with new upstream versions because
 I stopped tracking upstream versions actively.  The alternative
 for me would be to orphan the package completely.
I built a new debian package from zms 2.9.2, which was quite simple,
but I'm simply too unfamiliar with zope and its intances to make it
work on zope3.
Would be great if you could create a new package for zope3.
I wouldn't mind to help where I can.

  Uwe

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-29 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:32:06PM +0200, Uwe Steinmann wrote:
 I built a new debian package from zms 2.9.2, which was quite simple,
 but I'm simply too unfamiliar with zope and its intances to make it
 work on zope3.
 Would be great if you could create a new package for zope3.

zope3 is a complete re-write of Zope 2 with totally different
architecture and concepts. So, right now, it is almost impossible to
write a non-trivial extension that works on both. 

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-29 Thread Uwe Steinmann
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 05:38:30PM +0200, Brian Sutherland wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:32:06PM +0200, Uwe Steinmann wrote:
  I built a new debian package from zms 2.9.2, which was quite simple,
  but I'm simply too unfamiliar with zope and its intances to make it
  work on zope3.
  Would be great if you could create a new package for zope3.
 
 zope3 is a complete re-write of Zope 2 with totally different
 architecture and concepts. So, right now, it is almost impossible to
 write a non-trivial extension that works on both. 
Is there any documentation or a best practise example on how
to package a product like zms for zope3?

  Uwe

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Bug#385144: [Pkg-zope-developers] Bug#385144: zope-zms: New upstream version available for some time

2006-08-29 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 05:58:03PM +0200, Uwe Steinmann wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 05:38:30PM +0200, Brian Sutherland wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:32:06PM +0200, Uwe Steinmann wrote:
   I built a new debian package from zms 2.9.2, which was quite simple,
   but I'm simply too unfamiliar with zope and its intances to make it
   work on zope3.
   Would be great if you could create a new package for zope3.
  
  zope3 is a complete re-write of Zope 2 with totally different
  architecture and concepts. So, right now, it is almost impossible to
  write a non-trivial extension that works on both. 
 Is there any documentation or a best practise example on how
 to package a product like zms for zope3?

It's not really a matter of packaging. More that you would probably have
to re-write most of zms to make it work with zope3. Which I guess would
take a _long_ time.

However, Zope 2 is slowly starting to be based on Zope 3 (a process of
years). So, perhaps by Zope 2.15 porting zms to pure Zope3 will probably
be easier.

However, if you want to, probably the best first step would be to learn
to write Zope 3 extensions. Googling for 'zope 3 10 minutes' gives some
reasonable places to start with links to further docs.

 
   Uwe
 
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