Bug#407689: tasksel: Please consider adding a Development task for Etch
On Sunday 21 January 2007 22:38, Joey Hess wrote: If creation of a task is not an option, then please reassign to debian-cd as IMO we should at least make sure that some of these packages are available on the 1st CDs to enable people to build custom kernels or modules after installation. Might be a good idea to do that. I've added module-assistant to forcd1. build-essential was already included. This still leaves a regression for users of netinst CDs, but I did not want to add stuff to that while those images are still to big. pgpB9O3qotHD4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#407689: tasksel: Please consider adding a Development task for Etch
I've added module-assistant to forcd1. build-essential was already included. are the kernel headers for the standard debian kernels on CD1 as well? module assistant isn't going to be much use without those.
Bug#407689: tasksel: Please consider adding a Development task for Etch
Op 22-01-2007 om 12:46 schreef peter green: Joey Hess This is why #266702 is still open. The fact that those default C development tools are no longer in standard still doesn't make development a sensible task. It's not the same class of thing as running a web server or using a desktop, both of which can be accomplished well, if not perfectly for everyone, with a predetermined list of software. maybe development is the wrong name but even a task that just installed build-essential and the kernel headers would imo make things a lot easier for those stuck with unusual hardware or wanting to compile software that is not packaged off the bat (its not at all obvous to newbies that the package they need to make basic compilation work in one step is called build-essential and its pretty horrible getting compilation to work one package at a time). Naming the task 'minimal C development' could make this BR succesfull. GSt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#407689: tasksel: Please consider adding a Development task for Etch
The problem with adding a development task has always been, and continues to be, that people do not use the same tools for development, and that there are no good defaults beyond basic C-style development tools. mind you a similar thing applies to say the file server task, there are at least 3 different types of server that someone could want that would fit the file server discription and its not at all clear which ones will be installed. I personally belive that tasksel needs a major overhaul and is practically useless in its present form, what i think is really needed is a set of categories each with a number of entries so you'd say have a desktop category (with gnome desktop, kde desktop, xfce desktop etc), a webserver category (with basic websever, lamp webserver etc), a fileserver category (with samba,nfs and ftp options), a development category (with basic development, kernel development, debian package development, java development etc) and so on. This is why #266702 is still open. The fact that those default C development tools are no longer in standard still doesn't make development a sensible task. It's not the same class of thing as running a web server or using a desktop, both of which can be accomplished well, if not perfectly for everyone, with a predetermined list of software. maybe development is the wrong name but even a task that just installed build-essential and the kernel headers would imo make things a lot easier for those stuck with unusual hardware or wanting to compile software that is not packaged off the bat (its not at all obvous to newbies that the package they need to make basic compilation work in one step is called build-essential and its pretty horrible getting compilation to work one package at a time).
Bug#407689: tasksel: Please consider adding a Development task for Etch
Frans Pop wrote: Recently the priority of a number of development packages was lowered from standard which means they are no longer installed by default. This is a good thing, but IMO it would be nice if these packages could be installed in an easy way using a Development task. The problem with adding a development task has always been, and continues to be, that people do not use the same tools for development, and that there are no good defaults beyond basic C-style development tools. This is why #266702 is still open. The fact that those default C development tools are no longer in standard still doesn't make development a sensible task. It's not the same class of thing as running a web server or using a desktop, both of which can be accomplished well, if not perfectly for everyone, with a predetermined list of software. I would also like to stop making changes to the etch tasks Very soon. If creation of a task is not an option, then please reassign to debian-cd as IMO we should at least make sure that some of these packages are available on the 1st CDs to enable people to build custom kernels or modules after installation. Might be a good idea to do that. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#407689: tasksel: Please consider adding a Development task for Etch
Package: tasksel Version: 2.66 Severity: wishlist Recently the priority of a number of development packages was lowered from standard which means they are no longer installed by default. This is a good thing, but IMO it would be nice if these packages could be installed in an easy way using a Development task. The main challenge will be to get translations for the task, but possibly we can find existing translations somewhere. The following list of packages is now no longer installed by default (65MB installed; 19MB download): bin86 binutils (dep) bison bzip2 (recommended by dpkg-dev; suggested by tar, apt) cpp (dep from build-essential) cpp-4.1 (dep) dpkg-dev (dep from build-essential) flex g++ (dep from build-essential) g++-4.1 (dep) gcc (dep) gcc-4.1 (dep) gdb libc6-dev (dep; dep from build-essential) libssp0 (dep) libstdc++6-4.1-dev (dep) linux-kernel-headers (dep) manpages-dev (dep) In addition, I think the following packages could be part of a Development task (10MB installed; 3.5MB download): build-essential debhelper devscripts dput po-debconf (dep) If creation of a task is not an option, then please reassign to debian-cd as IMO we should at least make sure that some of these packages are available on the 1st CDs to enable people to build custom kernels or modules after installation. pgpIR6cBzEZ6b.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#407689: tasksel: Please consider adding a Development task for Etch
The main challenge will be to get translations for the task, but possibly we can find existing translations somewhere. Sigh. /me prepares to a few weeks fighting to seek for the last translations...:-| signature.asc Description: Digital signature
