Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/08 22:45, Christian Perrier wrote: Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [snip] Also, if a user doesn't know what GTK+ is, he/she probably won't expect a radio player being non-graphical ... There are very few non-graphical Last.fm clients around, Vagalume is not special for that :) Let me clarify. Saying that something is GTK-based is probably meaningful for the average geek. It means nothing for the average user. This is what I call jargon. I've *got* to disagree here. If you're taking the responsibility to search for and install apps, it is incumbent upon you to have *some* basic knowledge of your system. Among the most important is whether you have a GNOME/GTK or KDE/Qt system, and whether you run Stable, Testing or Sid. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHqvh0S9HxQb37XmcRArRSAJ4/I/VBkd9ERYyii7RsP6fvVJzkkACg5cq6 ey3t7sm4aGDEQcryDzAspSY= =GrTR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:45:42AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: Saying that something is GTK-based is probably meaningful for the average geek. It means nothing for the average user. This is what I call jargon. Our package descriptions should help all users to answer the simple questions what is this package good for? and Do I need this package? I understand your point, but: * The average user probably won't expect a Last.fm client being non-graphical (not even a geek would expect that unless stated otherwise). * Other graphical last.fm clients in Debian (last-exit, lastfm -this is the official one-) don't say that they're graphical in their descriptions. And well, I'd bet that it applies to basically almost every graphical program in Debian. * We can say that in the full description. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against saying that Vagalume is a graphical Last.fm client, it's just that I don't think it's that remarkable in this case. IMHO the short description should just tell the users what a package is for and why they should choose it instead of another one. And if I had to select the most relevant things about Vagalume I'd say (in no particular order): a) It's a Last.fm client b) It's based on GTK+ c) It's small and lightweight d) It's designed to work in the Maemo platform e) It's free software d) and e) are probably not significant in this case. So we have: A small GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio A GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio A small client for the Last.fm online radio -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): So we have: A small GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio A GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio A small client for the Last.fm online radio I'd go for the second choice (you half-convinced me, guys)without the leading article of course: GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio service (adding service is a last minute idea by /me: optional) I think that -based makes the difference: geeks will understand and bubull^W clueless users will understand this is technical stuff they don't understand but will when they're grown up enough signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:56:05AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client Last.fm isn't really clear for anybody. I suggest using a more generic description and somehow say this is related to audio/media playing. Well, you're right, I should update the full description too. Also drop the leading article, of course graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? How about ... Graphical GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio Thanks for your suggestions -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/08 02:59, Alberto Garcia wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:56:05AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client Last.fm isn't really clear for anybody. I suggest using a more generic description and somehow say this is related to audio/media playing. Well, you're right, I should update the full description too. Also drop the leading article, of course graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? How about ... Graphical GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio Thanks for your suggestions I hate to sound like a grammar Nazi, but are there any non-graphical GTK+ apps? IOW, isn't Graphical redundant, and not needed? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHqdvvS9HxQb37XmcRAuQSAKC6fErHQq65OiBpPVrYH0bwvm+GVACggjbP 9X17D8UwKantZEfAC4gtWng= =4ZRM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:10:23AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Also drop the leading article, of course graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? Graphical GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio I hate to sound like a grammar Nazi, but are there any non-graphical GTK+ apps? IOW, isn't Graphical redundant, and not needed? Yeah, that's what I think too, I copied Christian's suggestion and forgot to remove 'Graphical': GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:59:30AM +0100, Alberto Garcia wrote: Also drop the leading article, of course graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? How about ... Graphical GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio Sorry, I forgot to remove the redundant 'Graphical': GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio or GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio and social network -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:56:05AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client Last.fm isn't really clear for anybody. I suggest using a more generic description and somehow say this is related to audio/media playing. Well, you're right, I should update the full description too. Also drop the leading article, of course graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? GTK+ is jargon..:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 05:57:21PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? GTK+ is jargon..:-) Then we'd need to change quite a few package descriptions :-) $ dpkg -l | grep -i gtk Not to mention all other packages with similar technical words in their descriptions: ncurses, Qt, PHP, etc. Also, if a user doesn't know what GTK+ is, he/she probably won't expect a radio player being non-graphical ... There are very few non-graphical Last.fm clients around, Vagalume is not special for that :) -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 05:57:21PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? GTK+ is jargon..:-) Then we'd need to change quite a few package descriptions :-) Yes. Most package description aren't really great and forget that they should be targeted for end users. The Developers Reference gives numerous hints about the Right Way to write package descriptions (and not only when it makes recommendations about syntax) $ dpkg -l | grep -i gtk Not to mention all other packages with similar technical words in their descriptions: ncurses, Qt, PHP, etc. Also, if a user doesn't know what GTK+ is, he/she probably won't expect a radio player being non-graphical ... There are very few non-graphical Last.fm clients around, Vagalume is not special for that :) Let me clarify. Saying that something is GTK-based is probably meaningful for the average geek. It means nothing for the average user. This is what I call jargon. Our package descriptions should help all users to answer the simple questions what is this package good for? and Do I need this package? Being GTK-based is not the most important mention for this ad we shouldn't assume that everybody knows that it means graphical or GUI. That doesn't necessarily mean to *remove* GTK (it has some meaning for some of our usersand some even decide whether a package is good for them, based on this)...but we shouldn't assume this is *enough*. (not to mention debtags, by the way) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: vagalume Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://people.igalia.com/berto/ * License : GPL 3 Programming Lang: C Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client Vagalume is a Last.fm client designed for the Gnome desktop environment. It's small and provides the basic Last.fm features, such as scrobbling, tags, recommendations, etc. Vagalume is also designed to work in the Maemo platform, used by some Nokia devices such as the Nokia 770, N800 and N810 -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.23.14 Locale: LANG=pt_PT, LC_CTYPE=pt_PT (charmap=ISO-8859-15) (ignored: LC_ALL set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 04:55:10PM +0100, Alberto Garcia wrote: Vagalume is a Last.fm client designed for the Gnome desktop environment. It's small and provides the basic Last.fm features, such as scrobbling, tags, recommendations, etc. Vagalume is also designed to work in the Maemo platform, used by some Nokia devices such as the Nokia 770, N800 and N810 For debian, can you build both gnome and maemo UI? the needed hildon libs should be in Debian now. -- rm -rf only sounds scary if you don't have backups signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 06:46:23PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: For debian, can you build both gnome and maemo UI? the needed hildon libs should be in Debian now. I haven't tested it, but I don't think it makes sense. Vagalume uses very few hildon-specific code, almost everything in Vagalume is plain GTK. -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: vagalume Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Alberto Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://people.igalia.com/berto/ * License : GPL 3 Programming Lang: C Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client Last.fm isn't really clear for anybody. I suggest using a more generic description and somehow say this is related to audio/media playing. Also drop the leading article, of course graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service ...or something similar, maybe. I'm not entirely sure of the most appropiate description of Last.fm, not being a very active user there, indeed. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
