Bug#490718: No acpi problem

2008-08-18 Thread Michael Meskes
Please read the e-mails, they contain answers to all your questions. Repeating
already answered questions doesn't help anyone.

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Bug#490718: No acpi problem

2008-08-18 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le August 18, 2008 07:55:55 am, vous avez écrit :
 Please read the e-mails, they contain answers to all your questions.
I red the e-mails and can't find answers to any of my questions. Where do you 
think the answers would be?



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Bug#490718: No acpi problem

2008-08-18 Thread Michael Meskes
 I red the e-mails and can't find answers to any of my questions. Where do you 
 think the answers would be?

Okay, giving you the benefit of the doubt I try again. 

acpi is a tool to display the information given in /proc or /sys. Information
that is not available there simply cannot be displayed. Even if there was
another way to get this information it would be beyond the scope of acpi to get
this. Thus I see no bug in acpi because it exactly does what it's supposed to
do, display the available information.

On your system the kernel does not give this information to the userland binary
acpi. I cannot tell why, this could be a kernel bug or a missing feature. Now
this is definitely not the way it should be but there is no way acpi can change
this. 

Hope this makes it clearer.

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Bug#490718: No acpi problem

2008-08-18 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le August 18, 2008 08:39:05 am, vous avez écrit :
  I red the e-mails and can't find answers to any of my questions. Where do
  you think the answers would be?

 Okay, giving you the benefit of the doubt I try again.

 acpi is a tool to display the information given in /proc or /sys.
 Information that is not available there simply cannot be displayed. Even if
 there was another way to get this information it would be beyond the scope
 of acpi to get this. Thus I see no bug in acpi because it exactly does what
 it's supposed to do, display the available information.
Thanks, but the manpage doesn't talk about available information:
-t | --thermal 
 show thermal information

But -t doesn't show thermal information here. This does not mean that this is 
an acpi bug, only that acpi exposes a bug somewhere. But if you believe that 
this is no acpi bug, then the bug report should be reassigned rather than 
closed.

 On your system the kernel does not give this information to the userland
 binary acpi. I cannot tell why, this could be a kernel bug or a missing
 feature. Now this is definitely not the way it should be but there is no
 way acpi can change this.
This is why I'm not sure this isn't an acpi bug. If the bug isn't in something 
acpi relies on (missing information is just a missing feature), then the 
bug is in acpi for not properly handling a missing feature. However, if 
you're sure that Linux is buggy, then I'm fine with reassigning the bug to 
Linux.



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Bug#490718: No acpi problem

2008-08-17 Thread Michael Meskes
 I don't know how acpi works, but I doubt that acpi can't display this 

Maybe I didn't express myself well enough, sorry. acpi just reads the data as
provided by the proc- or sys-filesystem. If there is no information provided by
the kernel, acpi cannot display it. 

 information. Wven if this is true, this is no reason to close this report 
 without justification. If acpi can't display the requested information, it 

There was a justification given:

Upon further review it showed that the files needed to gather thermal
information were not available on this machine. Thus acpi cannot display
this information.
...

I still fail to see why this is no justification. Again, information not
provided by the kernel cannot be displayed.

 could print an error. If my system is normal, the acpi manpage should be 
 changed to explain that acpi will only show thermal information when this is 
 possible (ideally indicating when this is possible or not).

The manpage says:

...
acpi Shows information from the /proc or the /sys filesystem, ...

It clearly says that acpi only shows information it gets there.

 So, please reopen. Note that this bug persists with Linux 2.6.26.

No, I won't because this is not a bug in acpi but a problem your system has
with the kernel. It might be a kernel bug though.

Michael

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Bug#490718: No acpi problem

2008-08-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le August 17, 2008 01:12:19 pm, vous avez écrit :
  I don't know how acpi works, but I doubt that acpi can't display this

 Maybe I didn't express myself well enough, sorry. acpi just reads the data
 as provided by the proc- or sys-filesystem. If there is no information
 provided by the kernel, acpi cannot display it.

  information. Wven if this is true, this is no reason to close this report
  without justification. If acpi can't display the requested information,
  it

 There was a justification given:

 Upon further review it showed that the files needed to gather thermal
 information were not available on this machine. Thus acpi cannot display
 this information.
 ...

 I still fail to see why this is no justification.
Do you consider this bug as invalid or what?

 Again, information not 
 provided by the kernel cannot be displayed.

  could print an error. If my system is normal, the acpi manpage should be
  changed to explain that acpi will only show thermal information when this
  is possible (ideally indicating when this is possible or not).

 The manpage says:

 ...
 acpi Shows information from the /proc or the /sys filesystem, ...

 It clearly says that acpi only shows information it gets there.
Where?

  So, please reopen. Note that this bug persists with Linux 2.6.26.

 No, I won't because this is not a bug in acpi but a problem your system has
 with the kernel. It might be a kernel bug though.



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Bug#490718: No acpi problem

2008-08-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le August 8, 2008 04:16:55 am, vous avez écrit :
 Upon further review it showed that the files needed to gather thermal
 information were not available on this machine. Thus acpi cannot display
 this information. Therefore I close this bug report.

 Michael

I don't know how acpi works, but I doubt that acpi can't display this 
information. Wven if this is true, this is no reason to close this report 
without justification. If acpi can't display the requested information, it 
could print an error. If my system is normal, the acpi manpage should be 
changed to explain that acpi will only show thermal information when this is 
possible (ideally indicating when this is possible or not).

So, please reopen. Note that this bug persists with Linux 2.6.26.



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