Bug#493948: gnome should depend on swfdec-gnome, not swfdec-mozilla
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A recommend would mean swfdec-mozilla would not be installed by default since tasksel does not honor recommends. Why not fix tasksel ? ;-) This may be done post-lenny, but it has strong implications on the size of the default install. Alright, I understand the problem. However, using a depends when it's not really something that is depended on (all browsers can perfectly work without a flash player) breaks the definition of the Depends field. By having it depend instead of just recommend, it is currently being forced that the user installs swfdec when installing gnome. And then, if the user would rather use other flash player, currently they need to uninstall swfdec so that iceweasel uses the other player [1], thus having to uninstall gnome and getting a whole lot of packages into auto-remove state. Maybe we need a way to tell tasksel which Recommends it should install and which not. But forcing the user to install packages that don't work well and need to be removed in order to be replaced by something that works, is not a good idea. In general, forcing a Depends when we actually mean Recommends is not a good idea. [1]: this was fixed for gnash in swfdec-mozilla/0.6.0-3, but it's not fixed (and I think it can't be fixed) for the closed flash plugin, and we know that lots of flash pages don't work with neither swf nor gnash. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#493948: gnome should depend on swfdec-gnome, not swfdec-mozilla
Le lundi 01 septembre 2008 à 16:29 -0300, Margarita Manterola a écrit : Alright, I understand the problem. However, using a depends when it's not really something that is depended on (all browsers can perfectly work without a flash player) breaks the definition of the Depends field. gnome is a metapackage. A Depends for it means that it is installed when gnome is installed, nothing more. [1]: this was fixed for gnash in swfdec-mozilla/0.6.0-3, but it's not fixed (and I think it can't be fixed) for the closed flash plugin, and we know that lots of flash pages don't work with neither swf nor gnash. Christian Marillat’s package now also uses the alternative. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Bug#493948: gnome should depend on swfdec-gnome, not swfdec-mozilla
Le jeudi 28 août 2008 à 07:35 +0200, Olivier Berger a écrit : It is well known and unfortunate that mozilla lacks a plugin manager, but this shouldn’t prevent a metapackage to provide a *complete* environment. Would it need exactly swfdec-mozilla, or any flash playing plugin (like the gnash one) ? ... It seems to me that recent additions to these packages included something like an alternative management of the selected default plugin... maybe gnome dependency should be modified to take that into account ? or maybe that's complementary ? This alternatives system allows, if you install gnash, to select which one is used in the browser. A recommend would mean swfdec-mozilla would not be installed by default since tasksel does not honor recommends. Why not fix tasksel ? ;-) This may be done post-lenny, but it has strong implications on the size of the default install. I understand this is gnome maintainers decision, then... but that's kinda weird to me as I don't see a need for a flash player inside iceweazel as something gnome should mess with, as a user... but I'm not qualified enough to have a say I suppose. The need for a flash player inside epiphany (which is the default browser), though, is something of interest to gnome. And it is only logical to use swfdec, which is already the default SWF player for the desktop. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Bug#493948: gnome should depend on swfdec-gnome, not swfdec-mozilla
Le mercredi 06 août 2008 à 08:11 +0200, Olivier Berger a écrit : Package: gnome Version: 1:2.22.2~3 Severity: normal Hi. I can't understand the rationale here that gnome package depends on swfdec-mozilla, and not swfdec-gnome. gnome-desktop-environment (which provides the official GNOME desktop, minus Mono stuff) already depends on swfdec-gnome. Is this just a typo ? No. In any case, forcing the use of one flash decoder inside the web browser (used outside of gnome too) doesn't seem right to me. It is well known and unfortunate that mozilla lacks a plugin manager, but this shouldn’t prevent a metapackage to provide a *complete* environment. I would maybe understand a recommend here. A recommend would mean swfdec-mozilla would not be installed by default since tasksel does not honor recommends. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Bug#493948: gnome should depend on swfdec-gnome, not swfdec-mozilla
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le mercredi 06 août 2008 à 08:11 +0200, Olivier Berger a écrit : Hi. I can't understand the rationale here that gnome package depends on swfdec-mozilla, and not swfdec-gnome. gnome-desktop-environment (which provides the official GNOME desktop, minus Mono stuff) already depends on swfdec-gnome. Is this just a typo ? No. OK... maybe something to be added to the release notes of lenny then ? In any case, forcing the use of one flash decoder inside the web browser (used outside of gnome too) doesn't seem right to me. It is well known and unfortunate that mozilla lacks a plugin manager, but this shouldn’t prevent a metapackage to provide a *complete* environment. Would it need exactly swfdec-mozilla, or any flash playing plugin (like the gnash one) ? ... It seems to me that recent additions to these packages included something like an alternative management of the selected default plugin... maybe gnome dependency should be modified to take that into account ? or maybe that's complementary ? I would maybe understand a recommend here. A recommend would mean swfdec-mozilla would not be installed by default since tasksel does not honor recommends. Why not fix tasksel ? ;-) Thanks for the feedback. I understand this is gnome maintainers decision, then... but that's kinda weird to me as I don't see a need for a flash player inside iceweazel as something gnome should mess with, as a user... but I'm not qualified enough to have a say I suppose. Feel free to close. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#493948: gnome should depend on swfdec-gnome, not swfdec-mozilla
Package: gnome Version: 1:2.22.2~3 Severity: normal Hi. I can't understand the rationale here that gnome package depends on swfdec-mozilla, and not swfdec-gnome. Is this just a typo ? In any case, forcing the use of one flash decoder inside the web browser (used outside of gnome too) doesn't seem right to me. I would maybe understand a recommend here. So I guess it's just a typo right ? Thanks in advance. Best regards, -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.25-2-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages gnome depends on: ii arj3.10.22-6 archiver for .arj files ii bluez-gnome0.27-1Bluetooth utilities for GNOME ii epiphany-extensions2.22.2-1 Extensions for Epiphany web browse ii evolution-exchange 2.22.3.dfsg-1 Exchange plugin for the Evolution ii evolution-plugins 2.22.3.1-1standard plugins for Evolution ii evolution-webcal 2.21.92-1 webcal: URL handler for GNOME and ii gdm-themes 0.6 Themes for the GNOME Display Manag ii gnome-app-install 0.5.5.1-1 GNOME Application Installer ii gnome-desktop-environment 1:2.22.2~3The GNOME Desktop Environment ii gnome-games1:2.22.3-1games for the GNOME desktop ii gnome-spell1.0.7-1 GNOME/Bonobo component for spell c ii gnome-themes-extras0.9.0.deb0.4 various themes for the GNOME 2 des ii gnome-vfs-obexftp 0.4-1 GNOME VFS module for OBEX FTP ii gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg 0.10.4-3 FFmpeg plugin for GStreamer ii gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0.10.8-1 GStreamer plugins from the ugly ii libpam-gnome-keyring 2.22.3-1 PAM module to unlock the GNOME key ii p7zip 4.58~dfsg.1-1 7zr file archiver with high compre ii rhythmbox 0.11.6-1 music player and organizer for GNO ii serpentine 0.9-5 An application for creating audio ii swfdec-mozilla 0.6.0-2 Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macr ii synaptic 0.62.1Graphical package manager ii system-config-printer 1.0.0-2 graphical interface to configure t ii totem-mozilla 2.22.2-3 Totem Mozilla plugin ii transmission-gtk 1.22-1free, lightweight BitTorrent clien Versions of packages gnome recommends: pn gdebinone (no description available) ii gnome-games-extra-data 2.22.0-1games for the GNOME desktop (extra ii gnome-office 1:2.22.2~3 The GNOME Office suite ii gparted 0.3.6-1 GNOME partition editor ii gthumb 3:2.10.8-1 an image viewer and browser ii hal-cups-utils 0.6.16-2Utilities to detect and configure ii hardinfo 0.4.2.3-4 Displays system information ii liferea 1.4.16b-0.1 feed aggregator for GNOME ii menu-xdg 0.3 freedesktop.org menu compliant win pn network-manager-gnomenone (no description available) ii pidgin 2.4.3-1 graphical multi-protocol instant m ii tomboy 0.10.2-1desktop note taking program using ii tsclient 0.150-1 front-end for viewing of remote de ii update-notifier 0.70.7.debian-3 Daemon which notifies about packag Versions of packages gnome suggests: pn gnome-dbg none (no description available) ii openoffice.org-evolution 1:2.4.1-6 Evolution Addressbook support for ii openoffice.org-gnome 1:2.4.1-6 GNOME Integration for OpenOffice.o -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
