Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
I tried yesterday all sucrose packages (0.84, 0.86 0.88) installed with dependencies from Debian Squeeze repos and Synaptic with Squeeze full updated and not updated. They work remote butFail to start most activities. I tried the same with sucrose package in Lenny, it did the same. Trying to install backported packages sucrose 0.88 from Sugar-Debian Team gives me warnings about dependencies not accomplished and possible conflicts -impossible to install- Jhbuilds in Sugarlabs site have warnings about conflicts in Debian. Only Educational-Desktop-Sugar in Lenny seems to work nearly right has for children too little font size and no instruction for solving it. It´s a pitty because Debian is a fine and light distro. I recommend to take a look maybe I am doing something wrong (?). - Original Message - From: Sascha Silbe sascha-debian-bugs-education-desktop-sugar-2010-06...@silbe.org To: Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu; 586...@bugs.debian.org Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 01:06:15PM +, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Omar Alejandro Silva's message of Thu Jun 17 17:42:26 + 2010: Accessing Sugar from desktop terminals or thinstations is important, please don`t forget it while removing packages. education-desktop-sugar is a pure meta package, so removing it shouldn't affect usage of Sugar with thin clients. What is the problem in having pure metapackages? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
Excerpts from Andreas Tille's message of Mon Jun 28 09:20:04 +0200 2010: education-desktop-sugar is a pure meta package, so removing it shouldn't affect usage of Sugar with thin clients. What is the problem in having pure metapackages? The problem with this package is that it misleads users into installing it and turning their system into something that works differently (LTSP) from what they expect (a regular desktop). See the original bug description: === Begin === Please remove education-desktop-sugar from sid/squeeze. It depends on obsolete package names and confuses users. The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). One user even reported it will hose your boot (the system hung part-way through the boot process - unfortunately no more details are available as he was in a hurry and overwrote the installation with Fedora afterwards in order to get a working Sugar installation). === End === If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, changing the description (to point out that it's LTSP + Sugar, not Sugar on a desktop) and updating the dependencies should be enough. But without an active maintainer removing the package is the best option and should be done ASAP. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
[Sascha Silbe] The problem with this package is that it misleads users into installing it and turning their system into something that works differently (LTSP) from what they expect (a regular desktop). This do not sound right. There is nothing related ot LTSP in the education-desktop-sugar meta package. See the original bug description: === Begin === Please remove education-desktop-sugar from sid/squeeze. It depends on obsolete package names and confuses users. The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). One user even reported it will hose your boot (the system hung part-way through the boot process - unfortunately no more details are available as he was in a hurry and overwrote the installation with Fedora afterwards in order to get a working Sugar installation). === End === If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, changing the description (to point out that it's LTSP + Sugar, not Sugar on a desktop) and updating the dependencies should be enough. But without an active maintainer removing the package is the best option and should be done ASAP. It isn't LTSP + Sugar. Where did you get that idea? The task is for Sugar on a Debian Edu desktop. The problem is that there are very few sugar packages in Debian (both testing and unstable). If the package lists in education-desktop-sugar is wrong, please provide information on exactly what is wrong. This is the current task content. What is wrong with it? Depends: education-common Why: Need the common packages Responsible: Petter Reinholdtsen NeedConfig: no Depends: xserver-xorg, xinit, xorg Why: The X server and related packages. Responsible: Holger Levsen NeedConfig: no Depends: sugar, sugar-artwork, sugar-calculate-activity, \ sugar-chat-activity, sugar-journal-activity, \ sugar-pippy-activity, sugar-presence-service, \ sugar-sharedstate-classes, sugar-sharingtest-activity, \ sugar-web-activity, matchbox, network-manager Recommends: net-tools, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, xserver-xephyr, \ x11-xserver-utils, openssh-client, ttf-dejavu-extra, \ python-olpc-datastore, python-gst0.10, avahi-daemon Suggests:sugar-doc, etoys, etoys-doc, squeak-vm Avoid: xdm Why: Sugar desktop environment Responsible: Holger Levsen NeedConfig: no Ignore: ejabberd Why: This is the collaboration server used by Sugar. Should probably be included in the main-server instead of the desktop. Responsible: Holger Levsen NeedConfig: ? Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 01:35:56PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, changing the description (to point out that it's LTSP + Sugar, not Sugar on a desktop) and updating the dependencies should be enough. But without an active maintainer removing the package is the best option and should be done ASAP. Makes sense - thanks for the clarification Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
tags 586243 + moreinfo clone 586243 -1 severity -1 normal retitle -1 package description is misleading thanks Hi Sascha, a general comment: please file one bug about one issue. If you want to report several issues, please file several bug reports. Thanks. On Montag, 28. Juni 2010, Sascha Silbe wrote: The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). Thus I have now cloned your bugreport so that we can track improving the description seperatly from the package relationship issue. If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, Why do you believe this isnt the case? and updating the dependencies should be enough. updating the dependencies to what? According to http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/results/unstable/1277697815/some/list.php all dependencies of education-desktop-sugar are fine. So if you want us to update the dependencies, could you please tell us which you think are incorrect? Thanks already :-) cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
Excerpts from Omar Alejandro Silva's message of Thu Jun 17 17:42:26 + 2010: Accessing Sugar from desktop terminals or thinstations is important, please don`t forget it while removing packages. education-desktop-sugar is a pure meta package, so removing it shouldn't affect usage of Sugar with thin clients. Sascha signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
Package: education-desktop-sugar Severity: important Please remove education-desktop-sugar from sid/squeeze. It depends on obsolete package names and confuses users. The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). One user even reported it will hose your boot (the system hung part-way through the boot process - unfortunately no more details are available as he was in a hurry and overwrote the installation with Fedora afterwards in order to get a working Sugar installation). -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.31.6-xo1.5-2-00364-g7317f88 (PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
In Lenny I could have multiple sessions of Sugar with rdesktop but had to install all Sugar packages and the presentation of Lenny changed to Debian Edu. In Squeeze it changed too but I never could share Sugar with rdesktop. Accessing Sugar from desktop terminals or thinstations is important, please don`t forget it while removing packages. - Original Message - From: Sascha Silbe sascha-debian-bugs-education-desktop-sugar-2010-06...@silbe.org To: Debian Bug Tracking System sub...@bugs.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users Package: education-desktop-sugar Severity: important Please remove education-desktop-sugar from sid/squeeze. It depends on obsolete package names and confuses users. The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). One user even reported it will hose your boot (the system hung part-way through the boot process - unfortunately no more details are available as he was in a hurry and overwrote the installation with Fedora afterwards in order to get a working Sugar installation). -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.31.6-xo1.5-2-00364-g7317f88 (PREEMPT) Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100617154629.1829.14409.report...@xo15-sascha.sascha.silbe.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
