Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Jeremy Bicha]

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 8:29 PM, Joachim Breitner  wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 09:05:22 -0500 Jeremy Bicha  wrote:
>> I will finally be uploading this to non-free soon. Packaging is at
>>
>> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-fonts/fonts-ubuntu.git
>>
>
> how soon is soon? :-)

Very :-)

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi Jeremy,


On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 09:05:22 -0500 Jeremy Bicha  wrote:
> Control: owner -1 Jeremy Bicha 
> Control: retitle -1 ITP: fonts-ubuntu -- sans-serif font set from Ubuntu
> 
> I will finally be uploading this to non-free soon. Packaging is at
> 
> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-fonts/fonts-ubuntu.git
>

how soon is soon? :-)

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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Jeremy Bicha]

Control: owner -1 Jeremy Bicha 
Control: retitle -1 ITP: fonts-ubuntu -- sans-serif font set from Ubuntu

I will finally be uploading this to non-free soon. Packaging is at

https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-fonts/fonts-ubuntu.git

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[A Debian User]

Can we just add this to the non-free repo, then?


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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Dear Gürkan and Jeremy,

 I once again looked for whether the ubuntu font is already in Debian,
and stumbled upon thiss bugreport to find that it still hasn't been
done ...

* Gürkan Sengün gur...@phys.ethz.ch [2012-04-20 12:41:04 CEST]:
 If you find a sponsor, I will do the updates to the package and provide a new
 .dsc file for upload into contrib.

 Actually, uploading it to contrib would get it rejected, at least from
what I read from Jörg Jaspert in message #30 to the bug, stating that
the license is considered to violate DFSG 4.

 Please upload it to non-free and be done with it,
Rhonda
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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Gürkan Sengün]

Dear Gerfried


  I once again looked for whether the ubuntu font is already in Debian,
and stumbled upon thiss bugreport to find that it still hasn't been
done ...

* Gürkan Sengüngur...@phys.ethz.ch  [2012-04-20 12:41:04 CEST]:

If you find a sponsor, I will do the updates to the package and provide a new
.dsc file for upload into contrib.


  Actually, uploading it to contrib would get it rejected, at least from
what I read from Jörg Jaspert in message #30 to the bug, stating that
the license is considered to violate DFSG 4.

  Please upload it to non-free and be done with it,


Go ahead (I am unable to), it's ready here:
http://sid.ethz.ch/debian/ttf-ubuntu-font-family/ubuntu-font-family-sources_0.80-1.dsc

Gurkan



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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Gürkan Sengün]

Hello Jeremy

If you find a sponsor, I will do the updates to the package and provide a new
.dsc file for upload into contrib.

Yours,
Gurkan

On 04/20/12 05:02, Jeremy Bicha wrote:

Just as a follow up, could we get fonts-ubuntu uploaded into contrib?
We could see about what's needed for moving it into main later once
the appropriate requirements are met and the right people are happy.

I believe fonts-ubuntu is the correct name for this package, following
Debian's relatively new http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/PackagingPolicy

My understanding of what Paul stated a few months ago is that
Canonical/Ubuntu would be just happy to get it into Debian however's
best, but he didn't want to force for its inclusion if Debian didn't
want it.

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha






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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Jeremy Bicha]

Just as a follow up, could we get fonts-ubuntu uploaded into contrib?
We could see about what's needed for moving it into main later once
the appropriate requirements are met and the right people are happy.

I believe fonts-ubuntu is the correct name for this package, following
Debian's relatively new http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/PackagingPolicy

My understanding of what Paul stated a few months ago is that
Canonical/Ubuntu would be just happy to get it into Debian however's
best, but he didn't want to force for its inclusion if Debian didn't
want it.

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha



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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Gürkan Sengün]

Hello Jeremy Bicha

Sure I could. But then it's contrib only... what do you think are the chances 
for
Ubuntu/Canonical to make the font really free? They (Canonical, Ubuntu) after all 
mention the differences between free software and other software. And I sort of

have the feeling they would be interested to see it in main, not just in 
contrib.

Thanks,
Gurkan



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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Paul Sladen]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011, [ISO-8859-1] G�rkan Seng�n wrote:
 would be interested to see it in main, not just in contrib.

Everyone would like to see the Ubuntu Font Family in 'main'.
At this point in time, 'main' is sadly not an option because:

  (a) UFF comes with complete source [not just .ttfs], and

  (b) UFF requires a build-system that is not wholly in 'main'.

 then it's contrib only...

Uploading to 'contrib' would be the logical destination.  I don't
think there's anything blocking that?  I'm happy to /help/ via
pkg-fonts—but because I've been working closely on the Ubuntu Font
Family and I am presented employed by Canonical I don't want to be
seen to be actively forcing anything.  From a Debian-perspective I
absolutely want to see it in Debian and moving up the repos whenever
possible.

 to make the font really free?

The full source code for the typeface is there, and everyone is free
to modify, share, remix and improve it without any requirement to ask
permission first or the possibility to be denied.

(It is perfectly okay for the FTP masters to have found this to be
non-DFSG free, that is the FTP masters' viewpoint).

 what do you think are the chances for Ubuntu/Canonical

At the point that a better libre font licence comes along, the Ubuntu
Font Family can be relicensed.  All of the necessary legal permissions
to quickly perform such a relicensing are (intentionally) in-place:

  http://font.ubuntu.com/ufl/FAQ.html

I think it's been consistently stated, that the Ubuntu Font
Licence-1.0 is being used as an *interim licence* solution.  There are
likely to be further revisions of the UFL, and also to other libre
font licences, as the community and understanding of open font
production expands.

 They (Canonical, Ubuntu) after all mention the differences between
 free software and other software.

Font Software licensing has some unique requirements not found in
other general-purpose software-, or content-licences (where GPL and
CC-BY-SA are already clearly the preferred). There is a necessarity to
allow embeding of the font in documents, without causing those
documents to come under the same licensing conditions as the font.

A font that cannot be /used/ by target users is not much use.  
Various of the available font licences try to cover the font-specific
criteria in several ways:

  http://font.ubuntu.com/ufl/FAQ.html#embedding

For instance, the GPL+Font Exception approaches this via:

  As a special exception, if you create a document … this font does
   not by itself cause the resulting document to be covered by the GNU
   General Public License

The second aspect is that a font-name field is a well-known
identifier/key linking to a particular set of metrics (this is
partially why we have the Liberation Fonts that Red Hat kindly
sponsored).  For instance, the SIL OFL approaches this via a
Reserved Name method:

  No Modified Version of the Font Software may use the Reserved Font
   Name(s) unless explicit written permission is granted

There was a keen desire to a find a way to incorporate both of the
above aspects, and others, into a leen single-page licence, in a way
that did have the burden on seeking prior permission.  Nor was likely
to be overly scary to existing font foundries.

As of 18 months ago, no out-of-the-box, font-specific, widely-used
licence was available. Canonical set about sponsoring various work in
the area.  The 'Ubuntu' in the UFL name is there to discourage its use
until it's been debugged.

The list of open bugs/comments for the UFL-1.0 is visible at:

  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-licence/+bugs

The UFL-1.0 can't be changed, but work and advice is greatly sought
for feeding into an UFL-1.1 and onwards; or functional equivalent.

In the mean-time, the UFL-1.0 came about by looking for the closest
starting point (SIL OFL 1.1) and making the minimum number of changes.  
For convenience, a colourful diff is available at:

  http://font.ubuntu.com/ufl/ofl-1.1-ufl-1.0.diff.html

Yes, future relicensing is not only an option, but an intention.

Yes, the meantime, I think 'contrib' would be a wondeful home.

-Paul


PS. I had another chat with Zack in Orlando about other methods of
meeting a permissive, well-known name/Reserved Name criteria;
Zack has been working issues around the DFSG and trademark
compatibility, which may open up some options:

  http://www.debian-news.net/2011/11/12/bits-from-the-dpl-for-october-2011/
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2011/10/msg00028.html





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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family

[Jeremy Bicha]

Gürkan, would you be willing to at least submit this to the contrib repository?

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha



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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family -- Ubuntu Font Family, sans-serif typeface hinted for clarity

[Gürkan Sengün]

The font description has been updated, a newer version was released too.
It's all ready, looking for a sponsor.

http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ttf-ubuntu-font-family/ubuntu-font-family-sources_0.70.1-0debian1.dsc

Gurkan



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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family -- Ubuntu Font Family, sans-serif typeface hinted for clarity

[Gürkan Sengün]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: ttf-ubuntu-font-family
  Version : 0.69+ufl-0ubuntu1
  Upstream Author : Dalton Maag
* URL : http://font.ubuntu.com/
* License : Ubuntu Font License 1.0, see Link below
  Description : Ubuntu Font Family, sans-serif typeface hinted for clarity
The Ubuntu Font Family are a set of matching new libre/open fonts in development 
during 2010--2011. The development is being funded by Canonical Ltd on behalf the 
wider Free Software community and the Ubuntu project. The technical font design 
work and implementation is being undertaken by Dalton Maag.
Both the final font Truetype/OpenType files and the design files used to produce 
the font family are distributed under an open licence and you are expressly 
encouraged to experiment, modify, share and improve.



http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubuntu-font-family-sources/ubuntu-font-family-sources_0.69+ufl-0ubuntu1/ttf-ubuntu-font-family.copyright




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Bug#603157: ITP: ttf-ubuntu-font-family -- Ubuntu Font Family, sans-serif typeface hinted for clarity

[Alexander Reichle-Schmehl]

Hi!

Am 11.11.2010 15:04, schrieb Gürkan Sengün:

 * Package name: ttf-ubuntu-font-family
[..]
   Description : Ubuntu Font Family, sans-serif typeface hinted for  
 clarity
 The Ubuntu Font Family are a set of matching new libre/open fonts in
 development during 2010--2011. The development is being funded by
 Canonical Ltd on behalf the wider Free Software community and the Ubuntu
 project. The technical font design work and implementation is being
 undertaken by Dalton Maag.
 Both the final font Truetype/OpenType files and the design files used to
 produce the font family are distributed under an open licence and you
 are expressly encouraged to experiment, modify, share and improve.

Could you please provide a package description actually describing why a
user would be interested in installing this package?

Best regards,
  Alexander



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