Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
On 26/09/11 18:12, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Jordi Mallach (jo...@debian.org): Hi, The GNOME3 transition is reaching its critical stages, and soon the most visible parts of GNOME will be replaced with their 3.x versions. We'd *really* like to be able to upload GNOME 3.2 having Cantarell available in unstable. Has there been any progress with the packaging? When can we expect an upload? No visible progress since Aug 9th, when Nicolas (CC'ed) mentioned: === snip == I was away (VAC with no email) for about a while. Hoping to get to taking care of that package (and others in the pipeline) soon. Still a few items to go over and tweak I think. === snip == I can try building what we have in SVN...but I'd like to give Nicolas a last chance to either react or make some more changes. Dear Jordi and Christian, Apologies for my lack of availability these past few weeks. Will do a final check today and tweak the final items if needed and report back. Bye, -- Nicolas Spalinger, SIL NRSI volunteer - http://scripts.sil.org Debian fonts task force - http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org Open font community - http://planet.open-fonts.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Hi, On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:09:00AM +0200, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Apologies for my lack of availability these past few weeks. Will do a final check today and tweak the final items if needed and report back. Thanks! I hope the upload can happen soon! Jordi -- Jordi Mallach Pérez -- Debian developer http://www.debian.org/ jo...@sindominio.net jo...@debian.org http://www.sindominio.net/ GnuPG public key information available at http://oskuro.net/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
On 28/09/11 10:40, Jordi Mallach wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:09:00AM +0200, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Apologies for my lack of availability these past few weeks. Will do a final check today and tweak the final items if needed and report back. Thanks! I hope the upload can happen soon! Jordi OK, apart from some lintian warnings related to finer points of DEP5 syntax that I wasn't able to resolve so far and that are overall minor, the Cantarell package is now ready. Christian, should I push to mentors.d.n or will you build from our svn directly? Cheers, -- Nicolas Spalinger, SIL NRSI volunteer - http://scripts.sil.org Debian fonts task force - http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org Open font community - http://planet.open-fonts.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Hi, The GNOME3 transition is reaching its critical stages, and soon the most visible parts of GNOME will be replaced with their 3.x versions. We'd *really* like to be able to upload GNOME 3.2 having Cantarell available in unstable. Has there been any progress with the packaging? When can we expect an upload? Thanks! Jordi -- Jordi Mallach Pérez -- Debian developer http://www.debian.org/ jo...@sindominio.net jo...@debian.org http://www.sindominio.net/ GnuPG public key information available at http://oskuro.net/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Quoting Jordi Mallach (jo...@debian.org): Hi, The GNOME3 transition is reaching its critical stages, and soon the most visible parts of GNOME will be replaced with their 3.x versions. We'd *really* like to be able to upload GNOME 3.2 having Cantarell available in unstable. Has there been any progress with the packaging? When can we expect an upload? No visible progress since Aug 9th, when Nicolas (CC'ed) mentioned: === snip == I was away (VAC with no email) for about a while. Hoping to get to taking care of that package (and others in the pipeline) soon. Still a few items to go over and tweak I think. === snip == I can try building what we have in SVN...but I'd like to give Nicolas a last chance to either react or make some more changes. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
On 03/08/11 08:28, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): I did some initial work. Nicolas Spalinger made a lot of improvements by resyncing with upstream (which has no clear released version). I consider Nicolas to be mostly the person in charge to prepare the package and I'll upload it when done. Sounds great! Do you have a prospective timeframe when the package will be ready? Are there any blockers left? Not really. I don't see much activity from Nicolas side, so I assume the package might be ready but I'd prefer getting an ACK from him. I was away (VAC with no email) for about a while. Hoping to get to taking care of that package (and others in the pipeline) soon. Still a few items to go over and tweak I think. Cheers, -- Nicolas Spalinger, SIL NRSI volunteer - http://scripts.sil.org Debian fonts task force - http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org Open font community - http://planet.open-fonts.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): I did some initial work. Nicolas Spalinger made a lot of improvements by resyncing with upstream (which has no clear released version). I consider Nicolas to be mostly the person in charge to prepare the package and I'll upload it when done. Sounds great! Do you have a prospective timeframe when the package will be ready? Are there any blockers left? Not really. I don't see much activity from Nicolas side, so I assume the package might be ready but I'd prefer getting an ACK from him. I can try building it, at least... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Hi, as you have probably noticed, several bits and pieces of GNOME 3 are currently landing in unstable. This means, having cantarell ready becomes more and more important and urgent. Has there been any progress in getting this font into Debian? Who from the pkg-fonts team is taking care of this? Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): Hi, as you have probably noticed, several bits and pieces of GNOME 3 are currently landing in unstable. This means, having cantarell ready becomes more and more important and urgent. Has there been any progress in getting this font into Debian? Who from the pkg-fonts team is taking care of this? I did some initial work. Nicolas Spalinger made a lot of improvements by resyncing with upstream (which has no clear released version). I consider Nicolas to be mostly the person in charge to prepare the package and I'll upload it when done. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Hi Christian, Am 02.08.2011 09:06, schrieb Christian PERRIER: Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): as you have probably noticed, several bits and pieces of GNOME 3 are currently landing in unstable. This means, having cantarell ready becomes more and more important and urgent. Has there been any progress in getting this font into Debian? Who from the pkg-fonts team is taking care of this? I did some initial work. Nicolas Spalinger made a lot of improvements by resyncing with upstream (which has no clear released version). I consider Nicolas to be mostly the person in charge to prepare the package and I'll upload it when done. Sounds great! Do you have a prospective timeframe when the package will be ready? Are there any blockers left? Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Hi Nicolas, Am 19.04.2011 09:09, schrieb Nicolas Spalinger: Although the bugs have some cosmetic elements thrown in as well there are deeper issues: I still feel that getting the authorship elements right is rather important. I guess I'm worried some upstreams may consider that once the package is in main these issues can conveniently be ignored and bugs left untouched... thanks for the clarification, you really made your point much more clear to me than in the past. You seem to have much more of a vision for the font than I have. For me it's just a tarball full of font files, so let's package it. ;) BTW, very nice article on Gnome Journal, very interesting to read. Cheers, Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Le mardi 19 avril 2011 à 17:35 +0200, Nicolas Spalinger a écrit : At this stage, and since there's no automated functional self-contained buildpath, we won't create a Debian-specific one and we'll package only the final font files, we're mostly waiting on upstream for satisfactory resolution of GNOME #644201 and #635383 (versionning, license metadata, copyright and credits issues). I feel that for long-term maintainership and best practises, these issues are important to get right before inclusion into main. I agree these are important issues and I appreciate your work on these topics, but I don’t think they should prevent inclusion in main. I’m pretty sure the ftp-masters’ position on such topics is that as long the sources are here, just installing the .otf files without rebuilding them is fine. There are even font packages that contain only the binary font files (e.g. gsfonts) as long as the license is appropriate. Yes, and the ftp-masters are making the right decision here: removing quality open fonts for which we don't have a full reproducable buildpath just yet but which satisfy the 4 freedoms would be a self-defeating measure and would seriously hinder lots of practical uses of Debian for many users. Better work on upstream advocacy to release as much source as possible (which can include a bunch of different files including the .ttf files themselves) and improve the open font design toolkit. And in the meantime, include the fonts in Debian. Right? :) -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
On 07/04/11 19:09, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am 06.04.2011 15:13, schrieb Josselin Mouette: What is exactly preventing the upload then? Is it about the build system not regenerating fonts automatically? I am still not sure myself... Nicolas, what are the exact single issues that you think prevent us from uploading the cantarell fonts package to experimental (I mean package-wise)? GNOME 3 is out and I have been asked by several people within the last few days about the status of these fonts. At this stage, and since there's no automated functional self-contained buildpath, we won't create a Debian-specific one and we'll package only the final font files, we're mostly waiting on upstream for satisfactory resolution of GNOME #644201 and #635383 (versionning, license metadata, copyright and credits issues). I feel that for long-term maintainership and best practises, these issues are important to get right before inclusion into main. I’m pretty sure the ftp-masters’ position on such topics is that as long the sources are here, just installing the .otf files without rebuilding them is fine. There are even font packages that contain only the binary font files (e.g. gsfonts) as long as the license is appropriate. Yes, and the ftp-masters are making the right decision here: removing quality open fonts for which we don't have a full reproducable buildpath just yet but which satisfy the 4 freedoms would be a self-defeating measure and would seriously hinder lots of practical uses of Debian for many users. Better work on upstream advocacy to release as much source as possible (which can include a bunch of different files including the .ttf files themselves) and improve the open font design toolkit. - Fabian Cheers, -- Nicolas Spalinger, SIL NRSI volunteer - http://scripts.sil.org Debian fonts task force - http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org Open font community - http://planet.open-fonts.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
On 19/04/11 17:41, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 19 avril 2011 à 17:35 +0200, Nicolas Spalinger a écrit : At this stage, and since there's no automated functional self-contained buildpath, we won't create a Debian-specific one and we'll package only the final font files, we're mostly waiting on upstream for satisfactory resolution of GNOME #644201 and #635383 (versionning, license metadata, copyright and credits issues). I feel that for long-term maintainership and best practises, these issues are important to get right before inclusion into main. I agree these are important issues and I appreciate your work on these topics, but I don’t think they should prevent inclusion in main. Hi Josselin, Thanks for your answer, and thanks for your rocking work on GNOME packaging among other things! Although the bugs have some cosmetic elements thrown in as well there are deeper issues: I still feel that getting the authorship elements right is rather important. I guess I'm worried some upstreams may consider that once the package is in main these issues can conveniently be ignored and bugs left untouched... I’m pretty sure the ftp-masters’ position on such topics is that as long the sources are here, just installing the .otf files without rebuilding them is fine. There are even font packages that contain only the binary font files (e.g. gsfonts) as long as the license is appropriate. Yes, and the ftp-masters are making the right decision here: removing quality open fonts for which we don't have a full reproducable buildpath just yet but which satisfy the 4 freedoms would be a self-defeating measure and would seriously hinder lots of practical uses of Debian for many users. Better work on upstream advocacy to release as much source as possible (which can include a bunch of different files including the .ttf files themselves) and improve the open font design toolkit. And in the meantime, include the fonts in Debian. Right? :) Yes, for buildpath issues certainly, but I feel that for unclear licensing declarations and authorship, it's worth thinking over. Interaction with upstream for such clarifications - like we've successfully done for many fonts now packaged thanks to the work of many in pkg-fonts - is worth it. Sadly many font designers are not doing due diligence in these issues and this is where pkg-fonts members have been very helpful in getting there resolved by seriously reviewing, asking questions and pushing back a little before inclusion. FWIW, in my experience with following Dave Crossland's Cantarell project since back in July 2009, it's really when interacting with releasing and packaging goals that authorship, licensing and documentation issues (obviously minor compared to the actual design work but still important long-term) have been dealt with. We're almost there IMHO, that's why I'm pushing (hopefully in a friendly way) for the last few items to be resolved. HTH, -- Nicolas Spalinger, SIL NRSI volunteer - http://scripts.sil.org Debian fonts task force - http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org Open font community - http://planet.open-fonts.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Am 06.04.2011 15:13, schrieb Josselin Mouette: What is exactly preventing the upload then? Is it about the build system not regenerating fonts automatically? I am still not sure myself... Nicolas, what are the exact single issues that you think prevent us from uploading the cantarell fonts package to experimental (I mean package-wise)? GNOME 3 is out and I have been asked by several people within the last few days about the status of these fonts. I’m pretty sure the ftp-masters’ position on such topics is that as long the sources are here, just installing the .otf files without rebuilding them is fine. There are even font packages that contain only the binary font files (e.g. gsfonts) as long as the license is appropriate. - Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Le lundi 07 mars 2011 à 09:51 +0100, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Fabian Greffrath fab...@greffrath.com * Package name: cantarell-fonts Any news of this package? Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Am Mittwoch, den 06.04.2011, 19:24 +0200 schrieb Josselin Mouette: Any news of this package? Please read http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fonts-devel/2011-March/006407.html and the discussion around it. - Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Le mercredi 06 avril 2011 à 23:22 +0200, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : Am Mittwoch, den 06.04.2011, 19:24 +0200 schrieb Josselin Mouette: Any news of this package? Please read http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fonts-devel/2011-March/006407.html and the discussion around it. What is exactly preventing the upload then? Is it about the build system not regenerating fonts automatically? I’m pretty sure the ftp-masters’ position on such topics is that as long the sources are here, just installing the .otf files without rebuilding them is fine. Or are there other issues I’m missing? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Fabian Greffrath fab...@greffrath.com * Package name: cantarell-fonts Version : 0.0.3 Upstream Author : Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com * URL : http://abattis.org/cantarell/ * License : SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1 - 26 February 2007 Programming Lang: SFD (Fontforge) Description : Humanist sans-serif font family The Cantarell typeface family was designed as a contemporary Humanist sans serif, and was developed for on-screen reading. .. This is the default font of the GNOME 3 desktop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#617214: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#617214: ITP: cantarell-fonts -- Humanist sans-serif font family
Am 07.03.2011 09:51, schrieb Fabian Greffrath: * URL : http://abattis.org/cantarell/ Development can be followed at http://git.gnome.org/browse/cantarell-fonts/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
