Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
Le Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 09:36:24AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : Would there be an objection to remove mp3-decoder from the Policy's list of virtual packages ? I went ahead and removed the mp3-decoder virtual package as well. The changelog now reads as follows. * virtual-package-names-list: removed mp3-decoder and mp3-encoder. Seconded: Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com Seconded: Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be Seconded: Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org Closes: #668394 Jonathan, Kurt, is that good for you ? Have a nice week-end, Charles -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 03:51:41PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 09:36:24AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : Would there be an objection to remove mp3-decoder from the Policy's list of virtual packages ? I went ahead and removed the mp3-decoder virtual package as well. The changelog now reads as follows. * virtual-package-names-list: removed mp3-decoder and mp3-encoder. Seconded: Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com Seconded: Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be Seconded: Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org Closes: #668394 Jonathan, Kurt, is that good for you ? Yes. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
Charles Plessy wrote: I went ahead and removed the mp3-decoder virtual package as well. The changelog now reads as follows. * virtual-package-names-list: removed mp3-decoder and mp3-encoder. Seconded: Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com Seconded: Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be Seconded: Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org Closes: #668394 Jonathan, Kurt, is that good for you ? Yes, that's fine. Thanks for taking care of it. Jonathan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
tag 668394 pending thanks Le Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 08:51:51AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : Le Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 06:33:55PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:21:43AM +0200, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : As long as it is not possible to run audio-encoder some_audio.wav on Debian to convert some_audio.wav into the next best audio format, this virtual package makes no sense. This is especially true for mp3-encoder and the exact reason why it should get removed IMHO. [...] shall we go ahead and remove mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages ? Yes Dear opencubicplayer maintainers, as discussed in the Policy bug #668394, we are about to remove mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages. The binary package opencubicplayer is the only one that provides it, so this will not create a buggy situation. Please let us know if you have objections about this. Dear all, counting Jonathan's Yes as a formal second, and adding my own seconding, I removed mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 07:57:54AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Dear all, shall we go ahead and remove mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages ? Yes. I'm also for removing mp3-decoder, since I have no idea if that is something that just converts it to a uncompressed format, or plays it. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
[Dear package maintainers, you have been CCed because we are considering to remove mp3-decoder from the Policy's list of virtual packages.] Le Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:04:56PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : I'm also for removing mp3-decoder, since I have no idea if that is something that just converts it to a uncompressed format, or plays it. I thought about this, but there are a couple of packages depending on it as alternative and I felt reluctant, but on a second view, it looks like mp3-decoder is not used consistently and currently serves no role. $ for field in Depends Recommends Suggests Provides; do grep-aptavail -F $field mp3-decoder -s Package,$field ; done Package: plait Recommends: mpg123 | mpg321 | amarok | mp3-decoder Package: nautilus Suggests: eog, evince | pdf-viewer, totem | mp3-decoder, xdg-user-dirs, tracker Package: nemo Suggests: eog, evince | pdf-viewer, totem | mp3-decoder, xdg-user-dirs Package: mpg321 Provides: mp3-decoder, mpg123 Package: opencubicplayer Provides: audio-mixer, mp3-decoder, mp3-encoder, x-audio-mixer Package: mpg123 Provides: mp3-decoder, mpg123-oss-3dnow Package: vlc Provides: mp3-decoder Package: vlc-nox Provides: mp3-decoder Would there be an objection to remove mp3-decoder from the Policy's list of virtual packages ? By the way, there are more open bugs related to virtual packages, and some of them probably do not require extensive knowledge. Any volunteer ? Have a nice Sunday, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
Le Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 06:33:55PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:21:43AM +0200, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : As long as it is not possible to run audio-encoder some_audio.wav on Debian to convert some_audio.wav into the next best audio format, this virtual package makes no sense. This is especially true for mp3-encoder and the exact reason why it should get removed IMHO. [...] shall we go ahead and remove mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages ? Yes Dear opencubicplayer maintainers, as discussed in the Policy bug #668394, we are about to remove mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages. The binary package opencubicplayer is the only one that provides it, so this will not create a buggy situation. Please let us know if you have objections about this. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:21:43AM +0200, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : As long as it is not possible to run audio-encoder some_audio.wav on Debian to convert some_audio.wav into the next best audio format, this virtual package makes no sense. This is especially true for mp3-encoder and the exact reason why it should get removed IMHO. [...] shall we go ahead and remove mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages ? Yes. Thanks, Jonathan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
Le Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:21:43AM +0200, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : As long as it is not possible to run audio-encoder some_audio.wav on Debian to convert some_audio.wav into the next best audio format, this virtual package makes no sense. This is especially true for mp3-encoder and the exact reason why it should get removed IMHO. Dear all, shall we go ahead and remove mp3-encoder from the list of virtual packages ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
Am 15.04.2012 00:24, schrieb Bill Allombert: It would certainly be useful to know why it was added in the first place. The relevant bug reports are #64004, #64006 and #295006. I've read through them. I don't see the point of #64004. It sounds like the OP wanted to suggest adding it as some kind of preparation should lame ever get included in Debian. Well, now it is and it does *not* provide this virtual package. Packages supporting /u/b/lame (i.e. the CLI) should declare a Depends on lame instead - it's that simple. #64006 and #295006 tell a similar story, but I believe the latter one is more significant. I wholeheartly agree with the reasons you give for the reject, being that a virtual package audio-encoder does not add value as long as all the candidates provide different interfaces. If you support /u/b/flac to encode audio to FLAC, declare a Depends on the flac package; if you support /u/b/oggenc to encode to OGG/Vorbis, declare a Depends on the vorbis-tools package. As long as it is not possible to run audio-encoder some_audio.wav on Debian to convert some_audio.wav into the next best audio format, this virtual package makes no sense. This is especially true for mp3-encoder and the exact reason why it should get removed IMHO. - Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:16:19PM +0200, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Package: debian-policy Severity: minor Hello, I just stumbled upon the official list [1] of virtual packages in Debian and was surprised by the presence of one called mp3-encoder. This virtual package seems to be provided by only one real package, opencubicplayer, and I doubt that this is actually a real mp3-encoder. On the other hand, the only mp3-encoder that we actually have in Debian since a long time is lame and this package does not even provide the virtual mp3-encoder package. So there is something wrong either way. Since this seems not to have attracted anyone's attention before, I suggest to simply remove the virtual package mp3-encoders from this list. Packages should probably better directly depend on lame instead. The virtual package mp3-decoder should also be re-considered. While it is already provided by a handful of packages (mpg123, mpg321, vlc[-nox] and said opencubicplayer), it is obviously ignored by the majority of media players in Debian and noone seems to object. I know about it, maintain an mp3-decoder, but find never found it to be a useful virtual package so never added it. I think this has actually come up before, but can't find it now. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:16:19PM +0200, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Package: debian-policy Severity: minor Hello, I just stumbled upon the official list [1] of virtual packages in Debian and was surprised by the presence of one called mp3-encoder. This virtual package seems to be provided by only one real package, opencubicplayer, and I doubt that this is actually a real mp3-encoder. On the other hand, the only mp3-encoder that we actually have in Debian since a long time is lame and this package does not even provide the virtual mp3-encoder package. So there is something wrong either way. Since this seems not to have attracted anyone's attention before, I suggest to simply remove the virtual package mp3-encoders from this list. Packages should probably better directly depend on lame instead. The virtual package mp3-decoder should also be re-considered. While it is already provided by a handful of packages (mpg123, mpg321, vlc[-nox] and said opencubicplayer), it is obviously ignored by the majority of media players in Debian and noone seems to object. Hello, It would certainly be useful to know why it was added in the first place. The relevant bug reports are #64004, #64006 and #295006. Cheers, -- Bill. ballo...@debian.org Imagine a large red swirl here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#668394: debian-policy: Spurious virtual packages mp3-encoder/mp3-decoder
Package: debian-policy Severity: minor Hello, I just stumbled upon the official list [1] of virtual packages in Debian and was surprised by the presence of one called mp3-encoder. This virtual package seems to be provided by only one real package, opencubicplayer, and I doubt that this is actually a real mp3-encoder. On the other hand, the only mp3-encoder that we actually have in Debian since a long time is lame and this package does not even provide the virtual mp3-encoder package. So there is something wrong either way. Since this seems not to have attracted anyone's attention before, I suggest to simply remove the virtual package mp3-encoders from this list. Packages should probably better directly depend on lame instead. The virtual package mp3-decoder should also be re-considered. While it is already provided by a handful of packages (mpg123, mpg321, vlc[-nox] and said opencubicplayer), it is obviously ignored by the majority of media players in Debian and noone seems to object. Cheers, Fabian [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (901, 'testing'), (501, 'unstable'), (101, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-2-686-pae (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=de_DE.utf8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
