Bug#679386: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#679386: Bug#679386: lightdm: Language selection is ignored in session, $LANG is system default
On lun., 2012-07-23 at 00:33 -0700, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:59:32 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: It seems that this was done on purpose because, apparently, the data should come from PAM. See upstream bug for more details. Presumably you mean here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1019314 Yes, that's the target of the forwarded tag. I agree with your description of the situation, except for this: In 1.2, when the user selects the locale in LightDM greeter, it's set for the session and saved in .dmrc. Then for the following sessions, nothing loads .dmrc and the locale is not correctly set. That's not what I'm seeing. In 1.2, when the user selects the locale in the LightDM greeter, it's saved in ~/.dmrc, but it IS NOT set in the environment for that session, or any other. Ok, will correct upstream bug (or feel free to do it in case you have a launchpad account, but don't bother creating one if you don't). See my comment on the Debian bug report, and the explanation by the original submitter, which are in agreement on this point: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679386 In other words, LightDM locale selection is currently completely useless, because it has no effect at all on the session being started, or any subsequent one. One might ask why a Pluggable Authentication Module ought to be responsible for things which clearly have nothing to do with authentication, such as locale selection, especially when they are liable to change at every login. PAM is more than authentication, it handles quite some login-related stuff. And maybe it makes sense to store login-specific settings like locales into PAM. But my feeling is that it's not the case. It seems that PAM (through pam_env module) only handles /default/ environment, taken from /etc/environment. So while it might be useful to have a default setting for the box, it's plain useless for user-specific settings. So if my analysis is right, I'm a bit puzzled about the change. Note that you might try with accountsservice installed, it might help. Regards, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#679386: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#679386: Bug#679386: lightdm: Language selection is ignored in session, $LANG is system default
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:33:32 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: One might ask why a Pluggable Authentication Module ought to be responsible for things which clearly have nothing to do with authentication, such as locale selection, especially when they are liable to change at every login. PAM is more than authentication, it handles quite some login-related stuff. And maybe it makes sense to store login-specific settings like locales into PAM. But my feeling is that it's not the case. It seems that PAM (through pam_env module) only handles /default/ environment, taken from /etc/environment. So while it might be useful to have a default setting for the box, it's plain useless for user-specific settings. So if my analysis is right, I'm a bit puzzled about the change. This. Not just user-specific settings, but session-specific settings. Note that you might try with accountsservice installed, it might help. Doesn't seem to, and I don't see why it would. According to the README: The AccountsService project provides - A set of D-Bus interfaces for querying and manipulating user account information. - An implementation of these interfaces based on the usermod(8), useradd(8) and userdel(8) commands. There's nothing session-specific about that. -- Ian Bruce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#679386: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#679386: Bug#679386: lightdm: Language selection is ignored in session, $LANG is system default
On lun., 2012-07-23 at 02:08 -0700, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:33:32 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: One might ask why a Pluggable Authentication Module ought to be responsible for things which clearly have nothing to do with authentication, such as locale selection, especially when they are liable to change at every login. PAM is more than authentication, it handles quite some login-related stuff. And maybe it makes sense to store login-specific settings like locales into PAM. But my feeling is that it's not the case. It seems that PAM (through pam_env module) only handles /default/ environment, taken from /etc/environment. So while it might be useful to have a default setting for the box, it's plain useless for user-specific settings. So if my analysis is right, I'm a bit puzzled about the change. This. Not just user-specific settings, but session-specific settings. Eh? Note that you might try with accountsservice installed, it might help. Doesn't seem to, and I don't see why it would. According to the README: The AccountsService project provides - A set of D-Bus interfaces for querying and manipulating user account information. - An implementation of these interfaces based on the usermod(8), useradd(8) and userdel(8) commands. There's nothing session-specific about that. Well, it could have queried your locale information. Thanks for testing anyway. -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#679386: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#679386: Bug#679386: lightdm: Language selection is ignored in session, $LANG is system default
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:29:26 +0200 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote: Not just user-specific settings, but session-specific settings. Eh? The same user might want to work in different languages at various times. The natural place to specify this is when they log in, rather than with some inconvenient account management utility. That would only take effect once they logged out and then logged in again, which would be a real nuisance. See the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/803858 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-July/thread.html#3137 -- between multilingual users who need this feature, and unilingual developers who Gnomeishly inform them that you'll do as we tell you to, and you'll like it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
